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Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

wombatmobile wrote: post #76
glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

One difference in the fate of Yahoo vis a vis Google, is that Yahoo didn't spy on its users and exploit the knowledge gained from spying to make gazillions from advertising. Take from that what you will. Google made money, and then Facebook learned how to make money by trumping Google - by harvesting the "digital surplus" of its users to power an advertising juggernaut. The rise of advertising everywhere, and the los…

Yahoo spied on users the same as the rest of them, they were just incompetent and bled users for years. They were never especially well managed, but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator.

> resulted in a world that employs less than half the number of journalists than 20 years ago

This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publication costs you get more publishers which means more supply of ad space which means ad spend that used to go to journalism now goes to Instagram "influencers" and lolcats. Which would be just as true without any of the tracking.

Re: Del.icio.us

#92

Post by ngcazz »

millstone wrote: post #26

This is old school weird web! For those who did not experience it, del.icio.us was a bookmarking service, and one of the first to have "tags", but also had a sense of fresh discovery. You can bookmark and tag your sites. But you can also browse the bookmarks and tags of people you know, and people they know, getting deeper, freed from algorithmic manipulation. Like Wikipedia, but you start at you.

100%. Loved how anything you could reach navigating it with a browser could also be exported to RSS. Around 2007 I had kind of my own personal video podcast by subscribing to the del.icio.us video tag on iTunes for example

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

_joe wrote: post #83
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #44

Hmm next what, people will abandon Facebook and flock back to thematic PHPBB forums? (I honestly can't wait!)

The real throwback would be going back to use newsgroups, and only have competent people posting.

Probably setting karma limits to allow only high-ranking users write. Plus moderate it to block gaming the system. Right?

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by mmahemoff »

conjectures wrote: post #60
whym wrote: post #25

Ask HN: Why did delicious.com fail? (2017) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15493212 After some digging, the above thread seemed like the most informative one as to what happened to Delicious (with a top comment from joshu, no less).

This made me nostalgic for RSS. Is anyone reviving that in a nice way?

Newsletters are the new RSS. Different protocol, but simpler for non-technical users and a viable business model. Some recent apps (Stoop and HEY) make the reading experience more like traditional RSS readers too.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by Maha-pudma »

jwr wrote: post #84
Maha-pudma wrote: post #82

I used to use stumbleupon a lot. I had an xmarks account for bookmark syncing before that went paid for. I now just use Firefox's built in syncing service. Having never seen the point of a social bookmarking service can someone tell me reasons why I should consider using something like this? What were the benefits over my private bookmarks. I obviously remember it back in the day but viewed it the same I do most soci…

I use pinboard to get a bottomless bucket for interesting bookmarks that is shared between browsers and platforms. Browsers and platforms come and go, but Maciek's service stays reliably the same. I could use better (as in faster and incremental) search, but otherwise I love the functionality.

Fair play to the guy for creating pinboard, I don't use it, but assume since it's a subscription service he/the site isn't selling your data for advertising. I just can't see myself needing it, much as I like discovering new stuff (one of the reasons I'm on HN), I won't pay to store bookmarks.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by emptyparadise »

Scarblac wrote: post #72
conjectures wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels to me like some of that was having the same group of random strangers interacting. Rather than a constant flux of single comments.

And threads stick around, rather than disappear after a few days.

Maybe that's why the web feels so different now from how it used to be. It's like being in a house where the walls and furniture shift whenever you aren't looking.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by emptyparadise »

simongr3dal wrote: post #51
CalRobert wrote: post #39

I never used del.icio.us but am I wrong in thinking that getting bookmarks from 10 years ago will just give a bunch of 404's?

Probably not, Maciej (from the GP link) did some testing on Pinboard's collection of bookmarked links back in 2011. https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/05/remembrance_of_links_past/

Would be interesting to see how things are 9 years later.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by mmahemoff »

glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

You can at least draw a line from Delicious to Reddit.

Digg was originally modelled on the "popular" section of Delicious, an example of building a product out of a feature. Then Reddit saw a huge boost from the eventual Digg community exodus, after a time when Digg itself was the cultural nerve centre.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

zozbot234 wrote: post #86
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the chat thing is better done by XMPP, and mastodon... well.. if it ever gains real traction, it'll get swarmed by mob behavior just like Twitter is now.

The federated architecture is a powerful check on mob behavior. A Mastodon instance that enables the sort of mass harassment and mobbing you routinely see on twitter will just be refused federation by well-maintaned instances, just like Gab has been.

I'm not sure breaking the federation is a solution good enough to call it a 'check'. Users who want to disperse outrage of different kinds will just use other instances and will gather in mobs from them. You see, just a hundred mobbers can spoil any real discussion and turn it into a stinking pile.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by kome »

conjectures wrote: post #60
whym wrote: post #25

Ask HN: Why did delicious.com fail? (2017) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15493212 After some digging, the above thread seemed like the most informative one as to what happened to Delicious (with a top comment from joshu, no less).

This made me nostalgic for RSS. Is anyone reviving that in a nice way?

RSS is still great to get the news and blogs, I use https://theoldreader.com/
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