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Post by Koshkin »

badrequest wrote: post #234
tharne wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

Your first paragraph describes the ways the AR-15 is unique in its ability to do harm, and your second paragraph claims there is nothing that makes it unique in its ability to do harm.

To be fair, nothing was said about it being "unique." And, indeed, there are other rifles with comparable characteristics.

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Post by Koshkin »

umvi wrote: post #148
jonahbenton wrote: post #128

Am sure this will be downvoted but just commenting that I find discussion in these threads fascinating, terrifying, fundamentally foreign. Having lived in large cities all my life I cannot conceive of owning a gun, or of other nearby city dwellers owning guns, or even being allowed to in a non law enforcement capacity. There are apartments in NYC with working fireplaces- seems almost equally insane to me, though gun…

Foreigners have a lot of fear when the discussion turns to guns in America, but you have to realize that most Americans will never brandish a gun at someone nor have a gun brandished at them. No more than a foreigner will brandish a knife at someone or have a knife brandished at them. The media/Hollywood helps augment fears by misrepresenting the lethality of guns and also by cherry picking gun death statistics. Watc…

> infintesimal compared to dying by suicide via a handgun

Which, in turn, is small compared with dying in a car accident (wherever you live and whether you drive a car or not).

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by Koshkin »

stevehawk wrote: post #202
jonahbenton wrote: post #128

Am sure this will be downvoted but just commenting that I find discussion in these threads fascinating, terrifying, fundamentally foreign. Having lived in large cities all my life I cannot conceive of owning a gun, or of other nearby city dwellers owning guns, or even being allowed to in a non law enforcement capacity. There are apartments in NYC with working fireplaces- seems almost equally insane to me, though gun…

I mean, as a gun owner, if you told me you lived in a NYC apartment and owned a gun for in-home, self defense I'd ask "why?". You're putting the lives of a lot of people around you in jeopardy if you miss (which you almost certainly will at least once). I think if I lived in NYC, in an a place where I was concerned about that, I'd reinforce entryways so I could shelter in place somewhere.

Sure, sure - only criminals should be able to have guns in a city.

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Post by redis_mlc »

joe-collins wrote: post #16
redis_mlc wrote: post #6

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Same thing for Gibson Guitars, bought by KKR in 2013 and BK in 2018. Gibson Guitars was founded in 1894, but a lot of the guitars they make today don't work, and are way overpriced also. KKR renamed them to "Gibson Brands", so I guess some MBA with a PowerPoint thought related merchandise was more important than, you know, making guitars.

They... don't work? How exactly does such a straightforward physical item not work ?

ikr:

- bad woodworking (factory routing and finish issues)

- factory fret sprout

- 2018 SG had new plastic PCB with intermittents

- bad soldering

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by jm4 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #175
jm4 wrote: post #143

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I have. A couple guys came into the house late at night while I was in bed. I was upstairs and they were downstairs. I didn't have a means to escape. Cops can't help in that situation. I confronted them at the stairs and the whole thing de-escalated very quickly. Nobody got hurt. As far as someone sneaking into your house while you sleep, it was pretty much a best case scenario.

Stories like this sound so weird to me. Breaking into an occupied house sounds like suicidal behavior. What kind of thought process goes into doing something like that?

It's borderline suicidal where I live because quite a few houses have guns in them. Every house on my street does. It still happens.

I wouldn't say it's often because car break-ins and empty house burglaries are much more common, but it does happen. Attackers pushing their way in as you open the door, attackers posing as some kind of official or salesperson. When the pandemic started, we had guys going around in lab coats saying they were with the CDC.

Police response times are generally very good where I live, but guns are still very common and so is concealed carry. The thought behind it for many people is sort of the same as keeping a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. You're not the fire department, but you want to be able to control an emergency until they get there or avoid having an emergency become a catastrophe.

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Post by artificialLimbs »

demygale wrote: post #229
Izkata wrote: post #137

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Even within cities, people have been having that realization over the past two months with how the cops have been unable to keep up with the rioting. Permit applications are up 500% in Illinois, and sales are skyrocketing all over. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-illi...

The police riots are a problem but I don’t think violence is the answer. Better to just abolish the police.

Who, exactly, is going to enforce laws?

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Post by artificialLimbs »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #175
jm4 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have. A couple guys came into the house late at night while I was in bed. I was upstairs and they were downstairs. I didn't have a means to escape. Cops can't help in that situation. I confronted them at the stairs and the whole thing de-escalated very quickly. Nobody got hurt. As far as someone sneaking into your house while you sleep, it was pretty much a best case scenario.

Stories like this sound so weird to me. Breaking into an occupied house sounds like suicidal behavior. What kind of thought process goes into doing something like that?

I'd bet it often starts with "I'm going to do these drugs."

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Post by HelloNurse »

AmVess wrote: post #119
jacobush wrote: post #78

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Even the concept of gunsmiths making serial production guns is weird to me. Gunsmiths should do repair, factories with robots and CNC machines should make high precision gear.

CNC machines do the bulk manufacturing. In high end shops, gunsmiths do the final finish work. It used to be that high production firearms still had gunsmiths overseeing production. Now, in places like Remington, firearms come off the machines and get put right into the box. A range friend of mine is on his 3rd new Remington 700. He sent the original new unit back and they shipped him a new one. It was defective, he…

So the problem is mostly lack of quality assurance, rather than an intrinsically bad product? With proper quality control, where would the Remington 700 fall in the scale from cheap to average to good? Is it overpriced, or technically inferior, or strange, compared to the competition?

It's interesting because removing people who inspect shotguns is quick, easy and relatively reversible, while declining product quality and loss of design and production skills are normally gradual trends with an eventful story of bad decisions.

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Post by artificialLimbs »

badrequest wrote: post #235
AdrianB1 wrote: post #156

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AR15 is a lighter, lower powered gun than your typical hunting rifle; the energy of a .223 bullet is a lot lower than a .30. The capacity is almost irrelevant, changing multiple mags is no problem for anyone with decent training. I am the kind of guy that loads only 5 rounds in each 10 round mag (sport shooting), so changing mags is as natural as firing the next round. People telling that "high-capacity overpowered m…

I'm fully in favor of making bolt-actions the only legal form of firearm.

Is that because this has never happened to you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-georgia-man-shot-and-...

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Post by abstractbarista »

tharne wrote: post #147
badrequest wrote: post #140

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Yeah, I can't possibly think of a single method of dealing with coyotes that isn't an AR-15. Until that specific model of firearm was invented, people just sort of let coyotes eat their chickens, as there was nothing they could possibly do. They couldn't use humbler firearms with less capacity for committing mass shootings, they just let their chickens die.

You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

AR-15 isn't a specific rifle. Why do people talk this way? There are AR-15 that can shoot .22LR, and 9mm. They're decently accurate when configured properly.

Unless you mean the real "ArmaLite AR-15", or a clone, which shoots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington. Now that round will absolutely wreck things. But even then, it's not really a high-powered round...

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