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Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by croutonwagon » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:00 PM UTC

AdrianB1 wrote: post #156

badrequest wrote: post #140

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Yeah, I can't possibly think of a single method of dealing with coyotes that isn't an AR-15. Until that specific model of firearm was invented, people just sort of let coyotes eat their chickens, as there was nothing they could possibly do. They couldn't use humbler firearms with less capacity for committing mass shootings, they just let their chickens die.

AR15 is a lighter, lower powered gun than your typical hunting rifle; the energy of a .223 bullet is a lot lower than a .30. The capacity is almost irrelevant, changing multiple mags is no problem for anyone with decent training. I am the kind of guy that loads only 5 rounds in each 10 round mag (sport shooting), so changing mags is as natural as firing the next round. People telling that "high-capacity overpowered m…

In point of fact. typical AR-15 calibers (.223/5.56) are not legal for hunting anything bigger than small game in most areas.

You cant hunt deer or bigger with them....because of the lack of power. Its considered inhumane.

They are great for varmit/small game (ie: coyote and pigs) though.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by gnarbarian » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:01 PM UTC

kerkeslager wrote: post #158

gnarbarian wrote: post #130

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Painful. Rifle weighs around 6.5lbs. it needs a stock pad to be usable. And if you go through a box of ammo at the range you will be sore for a week. But it's accurate to around .5 MOA and I stick a giant Burris eliminator 3 scope on there to take some of the bite out of the recoil.

A muzzle brake might do wonders for you. I can't speak for 300WSM, but in 308, a muzzle brake takes it from "I'll shoot 10 rounds and regret it the next day", to "I'll shoot 50 rounds and stop from soreness, but have no shoulder bruising the next day."

Yup I've got a fancy brake on my PTR 91. Can shoot .308 through that sucker all day. The Tikka doesn't have a threaded barrel though so I'd have to take it to a gunsmith. Which I'll eventually get around to...

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by deelowe » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

JasonFruit wrote: post #227

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Hard to go wrong with a classic like the 870 though... only a few good options at that price point that are easy to find.

What would make you prefer a Remington 870 over a Mossberg 500? For me, the two were equal — similar in price, reliability, and customizability — except that the Mossberg was a better physical fit for me. I haven't had reason to regret my choice.

The 870 has a smoother action and the position of the safety is a better fit for pistol grip configurations. The 500 is generally considered more reliable and the safety is in a better position for non-pistol grip configurations.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by badrequest » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:14 PM UTC

tharne wrote: post #147

badrequest wrote: post #140

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Yeah, I can't possibly think of a single method of dealing with coyotes that isn't an AR-15. Until that specific model of firearm was invented, people just sort of let coyotes eat their chickens, as there was nothing they could possibly do. They couldn't use humbler firearms with less capacity for committing mass shootings, they just let their chickens die.

You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

Your first paragraph describes the ways the AR-15 is unique in its ability to do harm, and your second paragraph claims there is nothing that makes it unique in its ability to do harm.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by badrequest » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:16 PM UTC

AdrianB1 wrote: post #156

badrequest wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I can't possibly think of a single method of dealing with coyotes that isn't an AR-15. Until that specific model of firearm was invented, people just sort of let coyotes eat their chickens, as there was nothing they could possibly do. They couldn't use humbler firearms with less capacity for committing mass shootings, they just let their chickens die.

AR15 is a lighter, lower powered gun than your typical hunting rifle; the energy of a .223 bullet is a lot lower than a .30. The capacity is almost irrelevant, changing multiple mags is no problem for anyone with decent training. I am the kind of guy that loads only 5 rounds in each 10 round mag (sport shooting), so changing mags is as natural as firing the next round. People telling that "high-capacity overpowered m…

I'm fully in favor of making bolt-actions the only legal form of firearm.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by korethr » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:16 PM UTC

tharne wrote: post #147

badrequest wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I can't possibly think of a single method of dealing with coyotes that isn't an AR-15. Until that specific model of firearm was invented, people just sort of let coyotes eat their chickens, as there was nothing they could possibly do. They couldn't use humbler firearms with less capacity for committing mass shootings, they just let their chickens die.

You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

> An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range

This clause is untrue. The most common chamberings of .223 Remington or 5.56x45mm NATO are not "high-powered". That is an intermediate-power cartridge. More power than a plinking/training round like .22 or .17 HMR, or common handgun rounds, but still less power than a traditional full-size rifle round. Furthermore, the action and magazine well of an AR-15 are too short to even physically accommodate full-size rifle rounds like .308 Winchster / 7.62x51mm NATO, .270, .30-06, etc, to say nothing of rounds that would actually be justifiably called "high-power", like .300 Winchester Magnum or .338 Laupa.

The rest of your post is spot-on, but the meme that the AR-15 is "high-powered" is factually wrong and needs to die.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by e12e » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:19 PM UTC

christiansakai wrote: post #228

saas_sam wrote: post #132

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For those of us who grew up around guns, your abject horror at an object is as puzzling as someone being terrified of knives or slingshots. Would be nice if cops were all good and could teleport to your location in time of need. Drive an hour outside your city of choice and that ain't gonna happen. Just sharing my own experience, cheers.

Why do most developed nations don't let citizens own guns then?

Citation needed? I think hunting is allowed most places?

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by B9_p » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:21 PM UTC

I have to add this little thought to the thread. I was in the U.K. recently. I was forced to quarantine in a hotel there for two weeks. And naturally while I was in the U.K. I was thinking about the usual political and cultural topics, including gun control and the stabbing problem. I was watching a huge amount of British television due to being stuck inside this room, and I ended up watching a lot of the British equivalent of “cops.” I saw a criminal getting apprehended and it was the most amazing thing: there were two male officers grappling with a man, trying to arrest him. They got him on the ground and the one cop was on top of him, screaming. His hands wandered around on the suspects body and he seemed to jump up and down on top of him like a small baby pretending to be a doggy. He was also quite chubby so the similarity was difficult to escape. There were no arm bars, choke holds, no kind of decisive movement or action whatsoever on the part of the police. This cop could not grapple his way out of a wet paper bag. That’s when it hit me. How incredibly deeply different the US and U.K. are. That’s when I realized why there are so few guns in the U.K. prohibition doesn’t work right? But it works with guns? No, the hidden answer is that there is no demand for guns in the U.K.! People in the U.K. are physically weak and feeble. The cops can’t even put you in a proper hold. They flail about... there is simply no need for a gun in the U.K. because a knife works just as well. It intimidates just as much. It kills a feeble Brit just as well as a gun. Plus, people in the U.K. probably couldn’t even fire a gun properly. A Brit probably couldn’t even tell a BB gun from a rifle... In the hands of a Brit, a knife is probably way more deadly than a gun. The reason why there aren’t so many guns is because there simply is no use for them.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by detaro » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:24 PM UTC

christiansakai wrote: post #228

saas_sam wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of us who grew up around guns, your abject horror at an object is as puzzling as someone being terrified of knives or slingshots. Would be nice if cops were all good and could teleport to your location in time of need. Drive an hour outside your city of choice and that ain't gonna happen. Just sharing my own experience, cheers.

Why do most developed nations don't let citizens own guns then?

Most developed nations allow gun ownership to some degree, with large variations in the regulations and limits around it. The US though are quite unique in seeing gun ownership as a basic right, not a privilege granted/earned.

Re: Remington Arms Declares Bankruptcy

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Post by rjbwork » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

blaser-waffle wrote: post #108

elkos wrote: post #95

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What happens if you are a foreigner and you choose to live there?

If you've got a valid green card you can own a gun, no question. Pretty sure you can own a gun on working visas as well, though there is the logistical issue of if/when the visa expires -- chances are you're not taking it with you.

Yes - my co-worker is Serbian/Canadian, has a green card, and owns a bunch of guns.