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Post by dharmab »

wcarron wrote: post #203
komali2 wrote: post #5

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Sounds eerily similar to the Harley situation. I had the displeasure of renting a Harley something - street 500 or something along those lines - just to see what all the fuss was about. Seems much ado about nothing, why would I drop 8,000$ on a slab of iron, not even made in the USA anymore, when I could get twice the bike at half the weight for the same price from Suzuki?

I'll do ya 1 better: I had the displeasure of actually buying a new Harley (I was young and stupid). The street 500/750 are the worst of the worst from HD. The Iron 883 is the smallest "real" harley. And it's a completely different feel from the streets. However, it was a trashcan of a bike. I was always fixing weird issues, the HD dealership absolutely sucked in every facet from timeliness of service, to prices, to…

You know reliability is bad when the KTM is an upgrade! (Former 390 owner who had to warranty their bike...)

Even if you stay in cruisers- Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Indian quality compared to Harley is insane. It's as if the bikes were made in a different century.

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Post by dharmab »

antihero wrote: post #187
zrobotics wrote: post #39

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Speaking as someone who owns a 64 panhead and owned a 72 ironhead (rebuilt both from parts): Harleys have almost always been inferior bikes that have a strange sort of charm. Realistically, they occupy the same place as Ural, outdated bikes that have appeal mostly for style. The last time that Harley had anything cutting-edge (ignoring Buell) was likely the knucklehead, which was developed in the 30s. $8k will buy yo…

Are there bikes with the aesthetic style of Harleys that are better? I for one really dislike modern looking bikes.

You literally cannot go wrong with a Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha or Suzuki cruiser. They're almost universally fantastic machines. The market for Yamaha V-Stars from the 00s right now is amazing, too- all of the midlife crisis bikes bought during the fad era of 2002-2008 are now at the bottom of their depreciation curve and flooding the market. Many of them look like they just rolled off the showroom floor.

If you must buy American, everything Indian makes except the FTR1200 has a great classic look. (The FTR is cool too but very modernized).

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Post by bobbyd3 »

scottlocklin wrote: post #199
bobbyd3 wrote: post #185

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Hard to go wrong with a classic like the 870 though...

They seem a little overpriced when you can buy a Mossberg 500 with an extra barrel for like 2/5 the cost. Sure it ain't machined from a piece of steel; who cares? It also ain't as heavy.

I love the Mossberg 500 as well. I also prefer the location of the safety on the 500 (tang)

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Post by ska »

throw0101a wrote: post #89
toomanybeersies wrote: post #77

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The Tikka T3 is quite possibly the best value for money bolt action rifle on the market. In general, I've almost always found outdoor equipment from European companies to be superior to American (regardless of where it's actually manufactured). I've always got the impression from their marketing material that the Europeans are selling a product, whereas the Americans are always selling a lifestyle.

> I've always got the impression from their marketing material that the Europeans are selling a product, whereas the Americans are always selling a lifestyle. A lot of people say the same thing about Harley-Davidson motorcycles. FortNine had a video made the rounds a little while ago: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwxxsPaogY

HD clearly shifted to a "lifestyle" brand in the 1980's, and along with the Reagan era tariff protection it probably saved the company in the post AMF years... but now they have dug themselves into a hole they probably can't get out of, although they are finally trying, a decade or two late.

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Post by JasonFruit »

bobbyd3 wrote: post #188
walrus01 wrote: post #68

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Among people I know who track modern firearm technology I don't know a single person who would even contemplate buying a Remington. They are to modern guns what a Harley Davidson is to a modern motorcycle. People who care about good tech and value are buying things like CZs, aero precision and Anderson AR10/15 lowers and uppers, etc. Even the canik pistol from turkey is remarkably good quality. Savage offers good val…

Hard to go wrong with a classic like the 870 though... only a few good options at that price point that are easy to find.

What would make you prefer a Remington 870 over a Mossberg 500? For me, the two were equal — similar in price, reliability, and customizability — except that the Mossberg was a better physical fit for me. I haven't had reason to regret my choice.

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Post by christiansakai »

saas_sam wrote: post #132
jonahbenton wrote: post #128

Am sure this will be downvoted but just commenting that I find discussion in these threads fascinating, terrifying, fundamentally foreign. Having lived in large cities all my life I cannot conceive of owning a gun, or of other nearby city dwellers owning guns, or even being allowed to in a non law enforcement capacity. There are apartments in NYC with working fireplaces- seems almost equally insane to me, though gun…

For those of us who grew up around guns, your abject horror at an object is as puzzling as someone being terrified of knives or slingshots. Would be nice if cops were all good and could teleport to your location in time of need. Drive an hour outside your city of choice and that ain't gonna happen. Just sharing my own experience, cheers.

Why do most developed nations don't let citizens own guns then?

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Post by demygale »

Izkata wrote: post #137
saas_sam wrote: post #132

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For those of us who grew up around guns, your abject horror at an object is as puzzling as someone being terrified of knives or slingshots. Would be nice if cops were all good and could teleport to your location in time of need. Drive an hour outside your city of choice and that ain't gonna happen. Just sharing my own experience, cheers.

Even within cities, people have been having that realization over the past two months with how the cops have been unable to keep up with the rioting. Permit applications are up 500% in Illinois, and sales are skyrocketing all over. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-illi...

The police riots are a problem but I don’t think violence is the answer. Better to just abolish the police.

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Post by snapetom »

jonahbenton wrote: post #128

Am sure this will be downvoted but just commenting that I find discussion in these threads fascinating, terrifying, fundamentally foreign. Having lived in large cities all my life I cannot conceive of owning a gun, or of other nearby city dwellers owning guns, or even being allowed to in a non law enforcement capacity. There are apartments in NYC with working fireplaces- seems almost equally insane to me, though gun…

As a very pro-2A gun owner, I'm upvoting you and hope at least people stop downvoting you. Downvoting this comment, which in no way attacks other people or their points of view, goes against the spirit of HN. Save that crap for reddit.

Back to your comment, though, I grew up in the San Francisco suburbs. I have pretty much lived in either metropolitan suburbs or urban center of medium sized cities. I never even shot a gun until my 30's. I guess my feeling on guns was that I was neutral until I moved to the Southern US and some coworkers took me shooting. After actually using them, and being taught safety protocols, I saw guns as what they were - hunks of metal. I didn't feel attaching emotion to inanimate objects was particularly constructive.

Also around that time, I had a few friends that were victims of violent crimes. Two of them were in supposed "safe" areas in the NYC suburbs. Pretty much changed my views on police and personal safety completely.

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