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Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by hristov » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

jessewmc wrote: post #55

The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you'd think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don't have the problem they solve. It's an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the p…

Guess what, people do not like being insulted. If you are going to say to a large number of people that their clothes and by extension them "look bad" you are going to get a lot of pissed off responses. It is completely healthy and miles better than the alternative of internalizing it, believing you look bad feeling embarrassment, humiliation, guilt, etc.

By the way this is the way the fashion industry has operated for a long time and people are rightfully sick of it.

The author would have done much better to avoid making general statements. He could have said something like "i really do not like the way pockets look on my pants. I like to wear tight pants and large pockets really ruin that look."

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by Bobthelibrarian » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

diiq wrote: post #64

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm currently at work (thank Pomodoro for HN breaks, curse Murphy for causing everything to fall apart at the same time on a Friday). I'm a college-educated, homeowner, married, father of one, controls engineer. I spend my days at work between my office programming and designing industrial automation equipment, on the shop floor building it, and customer sites selling, upgrading, or maintaining it. I'm not a punk kid…

Could be. But the only demographic I named was "people who can wear cargo pants to work", so you kind of set me up for a "no true scotsman". There are events, and clients, to which I wouldn't wear cargo pants, therefore we're in different demographics :) It is a little disheartening to spend so much time talking about cargo pants, when I relegated them to a postscript and only mentioned them to say "I am not talking…

I think the reason people are spending so much time talking about cargo pants is that they recognize, even if they don't articulate, the logical error on your argument. You spend a good amount of the post talking about how there is a lack of innovation in the fashion world. Instead, changes tend to be incremental. You then claim to have created your own innovation, a new kind of pants pocket. Yours is a new product. "But," your audience rightfully says, "don't pockets like that already exist in some pants?" You respond that the existing pockets are on casual pants, such as cargo pants, and that your pocket is a different product because it is on dress pants. But moving a pocket design from one style of pants to another is exactly the sort of incremental change you that you say shows the absence of innovation in fashion. We're drawn to your cargo pant statement because it is demonstrably false.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by alfalfasprout » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

rmetzler wrote: post #139

glial wrote: post #50

Y'all are a little touchy about someone criticizing your cargo pants! Consider that perhaps his criticism hits a nerve because there is an element of truth in it - for most people (myself included as a younger person), the symbolism of cargo pants is as important as the function.

What is the symbolism of cargo pants?

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Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by skinkestek » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

Sirened wrote: post #128

skinkestek wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And I view the gamer loop as about as useful as the coin pocket: purely decorative in nature. I use the coin pocket extensively: for coins, medicine, chewing gum etc.

What medication are you able to fit in a coin pocket? Everything I've ever taken is either bottled, in a large blister pack, or I need more than I could reasonably fit inside that tiny pocket

blister packs are fine as long as they aren't too big (or can be cut with scissors). :-)

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by yellowapple » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

ianhorn wrote: post #94

This is a cool exercise, but there's a broken assumption. Or an assumption of no outwear I missed: > Where is there enough support to prevent items swinging around uncomfortably? He answered this with a box basically around the thighs, but I'd also add the torso and maybe even the upper arms. A personal bugbear of mine is jackets without internal breast pockets. When you have one on each side of a jacket that isn't u…

External breast pockets work okay for this, too, provided they're big enough and have some kind of flap (with a button or velcro or zipper) to keep it closed. Such pockets are especially handy on shirts.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by repeek » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #81

I have a similar pair from Duluth Trading[1], but what kills me is having the 'extra' pocket on only one side - I am sure that works perfectly for some, but for me, I very much want my phone on my left leg, it's like trying to unlearn a common key combo to have to look for it on the right. 1: https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-ballroom-slim-...

Check out their Engineer pants, they have that pocket on both sides. [1]

1. https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-rela...

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by milofeynman » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

With no pockets on the butt it makes the pants look weird. The plain area is just too empty. Might I suggest adding the words "sexy" or "pink"

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by albntomat0 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

darkerside wrote: post #162

I agree with the baseline principles, but these pockets are at the edge of reach, which is far from convenient. I was sure they would end up with a waist level pocket, in a stretchy material, on top of the belt area.

Like a built in fanny pack?

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by MattRix » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

lsaferite wrote: post #109

diiq wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. But the only demographic I named was "people who can wear cargo pants to work", so you kind of set me up for a "no true scotsman". There are events, and clients, to which I wouldn't wear cargo pants, therefore we're in different demographics :) It is a little disheartening to spend so much time talking about cargo pants, when I relegated them to a postscript and only mentioned them to say "I am not talking…

> It is a little disheartening to spend so much time talking about cargo pants, when I relegated them to a postscript and only mentioned them to say "I am not talking about cargo pants". But that is totally your own fault for denigrating cargo pant wearers in the initial version of the post.

He didn't denigrate cargo pants wearers, he just said this design isn't for people who wear them... And then cargo pants wearers decided that was reason to complain even more.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by ChuckMcM » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:37 PM UTC

jessewmc wrote: post #55

The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you'd think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don't have the problem they solve. It's an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the p…

Interestingly I have a pair of pants (these: https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-dry-on-the-fly..., see pocket detail here: https://www.duluthtrading.com/dw/image/v2/BBNM_PRD/on/demand...)

They implement this pocket strategy and work well for me. The author would likely be interested to know that this topic was covered in detail as an engineering exercise in NASA flight suits. More functional pockets for people strapped into a vehicle.

One of the more interesting innovations was a pocket on the top of the thigh for holding flight checklists or maps. It had a clear cover so that what was inside the pocket could be viewed without taking it out. A phone pocket like that would be pretty cool (and way nerdy but hey, if the pocket fits ... :-))