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Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by rm445 »

diiq wrote: post #23
rm445 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're good pockets, aren't they? But the ones I've owned seem to be sized and proportioned for a stanley knife or similar, not a phone or wallet. I think the author is onto something, though I'm still not convinced these pockets give a nice line with much in them, which people generally care about. Dickies-type trousers tend to have a looser fit than the pictured trousers. The article photos with a phone held partl…

I suppose I didn't include photos with the phone fully in the pocket because you genuinely can't tell it's there. There's a slight bulge from the welt of the pocket itself, which I'm still experimenting with, but with-phone is truly indistinguishable from without-phone when I'm standing up. Seated, there's a bulge at the side of the thigh if you really look for it.

I think a photo with the phone 'disappeared' would actually be a valuable addition to the article.

Good work by the way, and I hope you change the trouserial (?) world.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by michaelt »

thebooktocome wrote: post #56
diiq wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, when I have a moment I'll rewrite that section. I clearly missed the mark tonally. At least I know folks read all the way to the end, I suppose.

I don't think you missed the mark. Some people just like military cosplay a lot and get offended when you call out what they're doing.

I'll agree cargo pants are military cosplay if you'll agree that denim jeans are cowboy cosplay.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by adrianmonk »

I would add one item to the list of requirements: as I walk around and engage in other movements, objects should not flop around uncomfortably or jiggle around and make noise more than necessary.

That is a big advantage of locating pockets near the hips. First of all, as you walk your hips stay in a relatively fixed position, whereas your knees move back and forth a lot. So items nearer the knees are swung back and forth a lot more. Also, close to the waist where the cloth fits more tightly. Looser cloth closer to the knee tends to swing back and forth because there is more slack which allows it to do so.

Unfortunately, I don't know way to solve this and solve the problems that they have solved like accessibility when you're sitting down. Maybe you could stick pockets near the hip but on the side of the body instead of front or back. But those pockets would have to bend a whole lot.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by ianhorn »

This is a cool exercise, but there's a broken assumption. Or an assumption of no outwear I missed:

> Where is there enough support to prevent items swinging around uncomfortably?

He answered this with a box basically around the thighs, but I'd also add the torso and maybe even the upper arms.

A personal bugbear of mine is jackets without internal breast pockets. When you have one on each side of a jacket that isn't ultra lightweight, it fits a wallet and phone perfectly, it's super accessible, and it doesn't change the appearance. In San Francisco where you never really need to zip/button up your jacket, it's perfect. This is the hill I will die on.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by skinkestek »

jldugger wrote: post #87
jschwartzi wrote: post #14

He’s reinvented the knife pocket in carpenter jeans. There’s also usually a loop nearby for hanging a hammer so you don’t have to walk around with your tool bags.

Pretty much but I should point out that you can’t easily find carpenter pants anymore. And I view the gamer loop as about as useful as the coin pocket: purely decorative in nature.

> And I view the gamer loop as about as useful as the coin pocket: purely decorative in nature.

I use the coin pocket extensively: for coins, medicine, chewing gum etc.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by aahhahahaaa »

aflag wrote: post #74
glial wrote: post #50

Y'all are a little touchy about someone criticizing your cargo pants! Consider that perhaps his criticism hits a nerve because there is an element of truth in it - for most people (myself included as a younger person), the symbolism of cargo pants is as important as the function.

I never knew cargo pants had a symbolism. I love pockets. I carry as much as I can in my pockets so that I don't need to carry a backpack. I was slightly disappointed with the article because I find the pocket they created seems even smaller than the front pocket, so I don't get how they improve anything.

All fashion has symbolism. Just because you ignore doesn't mean it isn't there.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by groby_b »

msla wrote: post #75
jessewmc wrote: post #55

The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you'd think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don't have the problem they solve. It's an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the p…

> awful hip pocket bulges Who says they're awful? Why do they say that? We must be informed and skeptical consumers.

Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification?

Why yes, yes we can.

But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain.

The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you care about that, you often care about the torso first, lines second, limbs third. (Note: Since it's an aesthetic judgment, it depends on your preferences)

Hip pockets ruin the look of the torso and lines from any angle except a pure frontal view. Worse, they ruin it for tight and loose fitting clothes (because for loose fit, hip pockets with anything of significant weight hangs awkwardly)

This pocket design addresses the first issue completely, and the second issue somewhat. (You'll still notice a change in the line especially on tight fit, but it's less noticeable because it's not affecting torso, and it's not at the end of limbs - which get more attention than the middle)

Maybe our list of maximes to follow should include "we must assume that people have a reason for what they do, and question somebody else's aesthetical judgment followed by an accusation that they're uninformed or unquestioning is not the best conversational gambit".

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by aahhahahaaa »

I would buy these pants in a heartbeat. I'm fairly slender, like tight fitting pants, but hate the hip pockets. Cargo pants are baggy and everything rattles around in the large pockets. These are a really thoughtful middleground where you don't have to sacrifice style for utility.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by aflag »

aahhahahaaa wrote: post #96
aflag wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never knew cargo pants had a symbolism. I love pockets. I carry as much as I can in my pockets so that I don't need to carry a backpack. I was slightly disappointed with the article because I find the pocket they created seems even smaller than the front pocket, so I don't get how they improve anything.

All fashion has symbolism. Just because you ignore doesn't mean it isn't there.

Fair enough. My point was that I don't think that's such a big reason for people to wear cargo pants, as I've wore and seen people wearing it, yet that was never communicated to me. It's anecdotal, I agree.
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