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Burning cars, so what? Parisians riot like this about every 18 months or so and the state doesn't call out the secret police and somehow the country still exists.
Maybe the fact that there are no consequences has something to do with the fact that it keeps happening every 18 months?
Why can’t law enforcement do this by the book?
I see a lot of comments on HN, and elsewhere along the lines of "America is so terrible! Look how the police treat their own citizens!" The difference between the United States and many (most?) other countries is in the article's title: The word "sue." In America, aggrieved citizens have the right to correct their government. It's not always easy. It's rarely quick. But it can be done, and it has been done hundreds o…
America is flawed from a purely game theory point of view. It has a lot of bugfixes it needs to implement, hopefully sooner rather than later, otherwise it will likely fail.
I see a lot of comments on HN, and elsewhere along the lines of "America is so terrible! Look how the police treat their own citizens!" The difference between the United States and many (most?) other countries is in the article's title: The word "sue." In America, aggrieved citizens have the right to correct their government. It's not always easy. It's rarely quick. But it can be done, and it has been done hundreds o…
Of course not. No one wants to potentially risk arrest and or be seriously injured in the political process. What we're seeing is the last resort of people organizing against a broken political system.
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I think my point was that it was entirely a bad faith argument. They never cared about preserving freedoms, American democracy or the values that this country stands for. It was just a political tool in a cultural war chess game. It was to drive gun sales and get people out to vote. They talk about having these guns to stand up to government overreach, preserving liberty and freedoms etc. Then when we have literal se…
> They never cared about preserving freedoms, American democracy or the values that this country stands for. I disagree, they do care about personal liberty and safety. If you are infringing on their rights, you aren't an ally. > They never believed it in the first place, or their interpretation is so skewed it's meaningless. This argument is so backwards it's hard for me to grasp. You have people saying "Ban guns! B…
Then they never cared about the values they hold dear. If you believe in "Freedoms" but those freedoms are entirely selective based on political ideology or convenience you believe in nothing. The constitution has no "rights whenever you feel like it" clause.
> "where are the people with guns to defend us???"
I'm actually not saying that at all. I'm not asking for anyone to defend anyone else. I'm noting the irony of how strong the arguments for the second amendment were mostly based around "standing up to government" and how much silence there is about very obvious and illegal government overreach. The exact same behavior that the 2nd amendment proponents literally said that's why they own guns.
It's just political hypocrisy and I'm pointing it out. They were certainly happy to show up in armed groups when their local bar was closed, but snatching people in unmarked vehicles to be taken to secret detention centers is ok?
I actually do not want 2nd amendment people to get involved at all, I feel they aren't well trained, they are mostly unequipped to handle the situation and based on most 2nd amendment people I know, I would not actually want them near any volatile situation. Rights for me and not for thee I guess.
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The States should prevail, because under the Constitution the Federal Government does not have police powers and under the 10th Amendment police powers are reserved for the states. Now the limit on the Federal government police powers has eroded slowly (like all limitations on the federal governments power under the constitution), so you could point to the FBI, secret service, ICE/CBP...but if the Federal Government…
When was the last time a 10th amendment argument won the day? Like 200 years ago?
Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…
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Antifa was declared a terrorist organization. They were seen as co-opting a movement, instigating with violence throughout the country, especially in poor neighborhoods, and attempting to start a race-war. However you may feel about the designation, the means to stop them are deemed serious enough to warrant these measures.
https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-po...
Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…
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Watch videos on Andy Ngo's Twitter feed. The Portland protesters are engaged in much more violent activities than setting a garbage can on fire.
Hop on a bus and go across the river; go downtown. Neighborhoods which are on the western "downtown" side of the river, but north of Burnside, are fine. Drive up MLK and you'll see nothing out of the ordinary. If you are looking at our city only through the lens of some biased cameraperson, then you are getting a limited view. Go outside. Indeed, go to a park! Only the two parks across from the downtown courthouse ar…
Have there been a few incidents, over 50 days of protest? Yes.
Are they common? No.
Do you feel unsafe walking downtown? Only if the police are moving around.
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Maybe the fact that there are no consequences has something to do with the fact that it keeps happening every 18 months?
You are in support of secret police extrajudicially detaining citizens? Over a burnt car? Why can’t law enforcement do this by the book?