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Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

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Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

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I'm hesitant to ask this question because I think many of you will probably jump down my throat, but I will anyway. Are any of you actually Black American? By which I mean a son or daughter of American Slavery. I only ask because I would like to hear from one of them, about being a nerd in the black community. The reason I ask is because I've seen in Newark and LA for example, where even black athletes are only worri…

Multi-generational African American "Nerd" here. I'd like to point out that you are conflating "African American" and "poor/ghetto". To the OP, I'd say that your opinions are based on your experiences, and everyone's are different. As mentioned further along in this thread, you are equating "Nerd" w/ intelligent.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#52
post #24

I'm hesitant to ask this question because I think many of you will probably jump down my throat, but I will anyway. Are any of you actually Black American? By which I mean a son or daughter of American Slavery. I only ask because I would like to hear from one of them, about being a nerd in the black community. The reason I ask is because I've seen in Newark and LA for example, where even black athletes are only worri…

"Are any of you actually Black American? By which I mean a son or daughter of American Slavery"

No, My great-grandfather emigrated to Canada from Barbados and my great-grandmother was from Jamaica. This means I am probably a great- great- great- grandson of British Slavery.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#53
post #24

I'm hesitant to ask this question because I think many of you will probably jump down my throat, but I will anyway. Are any of you actually Black American? By which I mean a son or daughter of American Slavery. I only ask because I would like to hear from one of them, about being a nerd in the black community. The reason I ask is because I've seen in Newark and LA for example, where even black athletes are only worri…

Multi-generational African American "Nerd" here. I'd like to point out that you are conflating "African American" and "poor/ghetto". To the OP, I'd say that your opinions are based on your experiences, and everyone's are different. As mentioned further along in this thread, you are equating "Nerd" w/ intelligent.

Actually, it's interesting that you say that, because the part I edited out clarified that issue. That is, it explained my belief that there are probably, AT LEAST, two black communities. Let's call them the black under class and the black upper class.

The kids from the underclass don't worry about being a 'nerd' or popular or whatever. As I said, I think they have far more pressing concerns. They worry about not setting off some gang banger by stepping on his shoe. Or having said gang banger mistake them for cross town rivals. Or having a police officer mistake their wallets for guns. You get the idea.

Whereas kids from the black upper class are a little different, and this is the part where I have to be careful. I think kids in the black upper class think that being 'cool' is being from the black under class. So they go out and do their best imitation of kids from the black underclass. Only they don't know much about the black underclass, so it comes off cartoonish. Only slightly less cartoonish than when white kids do it.

Since our 'interface' to black America is really the black upper class, we get the impression that acting cool is more important than being smart. That doesn't necessarily mean that kids in the black under class believe that. My suspicion is that we don't really know what those kids believe, and we'd be surprised to find just how pragmatic their beliefs are. I think it was Dr. Dre who said he didn't know any rappers who got rich selling music to the 'black under class'. I'm paraphrasing there, but again, you get his point.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#54
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multi-generational African American "Nerd" here. I'd like to point out that you are conflating "African American" and "poor/ghetto". To the OP, I'd say that your opinions are based on your experiences, and everyone's are different. As mentioned further along in this thread, you are equating "Nerd" w/ intelligent.

Actually, it's interesting that you say that, because the part I edited out clarified that issue. That is, it explained my belief that there are probably, AT LEAST, two black communities. Let's call them the black under class and the black upper class. The kids from the underclass don't worry about being a 'nerd' or popular or whatever. As I said, I think they have far more pressing concerns. They worry about not set…

I'd describe my upbringing as solidly "Black Middle Class", having roots and connections in both extremes.

As I mentioned, this is all a very subjective discussion, and generalities are generally wrong. Having said that, the black communities have all the usual cliques: nerd, jock, preppy, musician, etc. and schools which value some cliques over others.

Speaking of an "average" school is as misleading as speaking of an "average" parent (insert the usual joke about half a bra and half a jock strap).

p.s. I think Dr Dre was pointing out that the "poor & urban" niche is not a particularly lucrative one, thus the need to appeal to the mainstream.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

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Both Paul Graham and Wumi are off the mark. You see, unpopular people are people who have not learned to play the game successfully. There are two competitions going on in schools: 1. Be as good as you can be socially 2. Be as good as you can be regarding intellectual development Every student will want to have the maximum of both those things, but the problem is that most people tend to choose one path and then work…

Echoing jey, I don't see anything in what you are saying that contradicts pg or Wumi. I think pg was pretty clear that there is a continuum of popularity, and nerds are at one of the extreme points on that scale.

"If you went back in time now, would you not be able to do it better?"

In some ways, probably not. I just wouldn't be as stressed about it. I still really don't have much in common with the people with whom I went to high school, and I still don't think it would be worth sacrificing any of the things I enjoy and that have led me to the life I have now (imperfect as it is) in order to get the kids I went to high school with to like me more.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#56
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where my post would lead you to suggest that there is no middle ground. In fact I mention that (partially) by virtue of being a good athlete, I happened to garner a fair amount of popularity. In fact, from your comments I'm not sure if you read what I wrote at all. Really, if you've been to public high school in America (or, as I noted, several other countries), popularity is derived mostly from good loo…

Does your name not usually have an n in it? And is it not usually a girls name? I read your article to the end. This black culture looking down on intelligence thing is not new or insightful. I've read about that lots of time on the internet. Black culture does not look down on intelligence. It looks down on nerdiness. Let's imagine there is some really cool black guy - let's say the 50 cent of your high school. He d…

"He'd be monster cool, and still effortlessly ace all exams."

Such people do not exist, given the "effortlessly" part. I think there is a consensus now that "talent" is mostly the end product of a lot of effort. Because outside observers do not see all of the hard work, only the end product, they infer that there must be some "talent" thing that explains why the other person can do things he cannot.

I believe pg made this point, arguing that the reason that nerds do not exert the effort necessary to become popular is that it would detract from the effort they can exert towards the things that are really important to them.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#57
post #34
post #13

Is it really just wearing the right clothes that makes you popular? Maybe the "nerds" are just fooling themselves, making excuses for their social ineptness? What exactly defines nerd anyway? Not being able to talk straight to people? Doing weird things? But what is weird? Maybe building your own radio with nobody to talk to was weird, but what if you used your electronics skills to build fancy effects for your elect…

if you look at a lot of the popular students, you'll find they are often of certain MBTI types (ESFP/ESTP). there's also a particular type (ENFJ) that is insanely charismatic (Oprah Winfrey is an example,) and they are also very popular in different ways i know that it's pretty much impossible for me to pull that sort of charisma from myself in any quantity, while to them it comes naturally, likely often just through…

"in other words, no. you probably won't become more popular by trying. wearing the right clothes, and doing all sorts of things that the popular kids do will only make you look like a poser. the popular kids don't do those things to be popular, that's just what you see on the surface."

Can't find it right now, but I read a Zen of Cool test where a man is brought into a room full of clothes, and asked which outfit is coolest.

The correct answer: "Whatever I put on."

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#58
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Your post is clumsily worded. Your argument seems to be 'oddness is mistaken for stupidity'. But you never really state that explicitly, so I'm not sure. 2. If we're 'experts' about spotting people who are too stupid, then why do we mistake oddness for stupidity? 3. Your grammar is also poor - e.g., 'to stupid to mate with'.

1.if you got it i think i was clear enough. 2.of course because it's the oddity that is spotted. 3.now you are beeing rude.

Problem is that 2 contradicts 1. 3 isn't rude, it's quite common for misspelt posts, and nothing personal.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#59
I never understood the (North) American "high school popularist fetichism". Must be a cultural self spreading virus (meme). I wonder how can you get rid of it? Because i haven't see such behaviour in South America, there the division is rather blured, the nerds are friends with everbody else, an the populars aren't so "elitists" and bulliers... that reminds me this clever bully fight back story: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2007/09/18/pink-t...

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#60

To copy the comment from your post, a large reason that these 'nerds' are unpopular are they way they defer to authority and suck up to the teacher. Even till now, I really dislike those people. Those nerds are conformist and learn exactly what they are told to learn. The cool kids are the ones that do things their own way. By virtue of that, they get to lead. If I were in a 2 seater plane that crashes on an island t…

Conformity is orthogonal to nerdiness. I was absolutely a nerd in High School. I was also a non-conformist. I gave respect based on merit and admiration. That style of respect (or lack thereof) got me in hot water with more than one teacher. In fact, most of my nerd friends are some of the most non-conformist people I know. If you depend on admiration and popularity from your classmates then you will desperately cling to someone else's perception of "cool." The nerds go their own ways.

On your dinosaur-island, the nerd probably knows how to find clean water, build a shelter, start a fire, and set a trap. And how to make a dinosaur-slaying weapon from the wreckage of your plane.

Sounds like a lot more help than some "non-conformist" who doesn't know anything outside of the High School popularity game.

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