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Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

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Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#41
Was so happy to see this BLACK NERD thread but ultimately, I have decided the article just ain't right.

For example, this is wrong: HE SAID>>>For blacks, it goes above and beyond just clothes — sneakers (Air Force ones, Jordans, etc.), jewelry, hairstyle, shape ups, belt buckles, chains, tattoos, diamond studs, do rags, fitted caps — which makes popularity that much more exclusive and more difficult to attain.Are you kidding me? Where where you on the 4th of July when black folk of all economic backgrounds were out cooking out outside across America, with their families and enjoying Being a Family my Friend?

And he said: >>If you ever watch a black family (and this holds trues from Latinos whom I’ve spent time with as well) they spend much more time worrying about the material and outwardly appearance — driving the right car, clothes, accessories, hair, etc. Paul alludes several times throughout the essay (and indeed, in his response,Naw, this ain't right either because my son, aged 16 (and we all black right) spent a lot of time learning how to drive Boston streets, thru downtown, into Cambridge, past Somerville and back to our burbs and all the way along we discussed why all the music he was playing on the car CD sounded to me like "FALL OUT BOY" or "HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS" and he said -- Daddy now, its all original! His playlist has several hundred tracks, mostly different bands...

"I know it is but I'm sorry son, I said, but with some exceptions in the tracks playing, I haven't heard anything original from your 52 track playlist, that to me did not sound like FALL OUT BOY or HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS."

So, he defended it over and over and said - "No, they don't 'em sound like them dad." Yeah, right. I listen to over a hundred new tracks every month, all genres and I do know better!!

I was itching to get some RAP/HIP HOP even if it was that hypnotic track by Lil Wayne talking about Lolipops.

Personally, I love the FOB, HH stuff but I don't want to give overdue credits to their copiers! Well, he does and so went the discussion.

That's a small diverse taste of Black Life from BLACK NERDS in America Mr. davidadewumi! Your piece screamed of a lack of diversity in the African American American family.

So, you are right and you are so wrong too, which is my ultimate conclusion -- you like a viewpoint that adequately explains how diverse we all are, no matter what color we are.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#42
Why are we assuming that all nerds are smart? My high school had several "dumb" nerds (Napoleon Dynamite-ish). Nerds are people who are socially inept. Add intelligence to a nerd and all you have is an intelligent nerd, he has not moved up the social ladder at all. The real question should be "Why are smart black kids with no social skills unpopular?" but that wouldn’t be much of a question, would it? They’re unpopular because they have no social skills, being smart has nothing to do with it. Since the author states that blacks put so much emphasis on their social status, it makes perfect sense that anyone not exhibiting socially acceptable behaviors would be deemed unpopular. You could easily have said:

Why are black kids who wear tight clothes unpopular?

Why are black kids who listen to heavy metal unpopular?

Why are black male virgins unpopular?

If you do unpopular stuff then you will not be popular. Interesting article, but way off base. Oh, and if you are wondering, I’m BLACK.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#43
I think this discussion is about 2 or 3 decades out of date.

Currently the issue isn't whether you are black, white, hispanic, or whatever. It's whether you are male or female. Women have taken over in the high schools and colleges. University enrollment is almost 2/3rds female nationwide and the gap is growing.....

Our problem right now isn't race, it's gender. Boys are dropping out in droves and at very early ages.

If you go into any government office right now you will see most of the employees will be women. I routinely go into offices now where there will be 20 or 30 women working and zero men. The men serve as janitors and gardeners. It's all they are qualified for.

Problem is getting worse and public school administrators are totally blind to the issue.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#44
To copy the comment from your post, a large reason that these 'nerds' are unpopular are they way they defer to authority and suck up to the teacher. Even till now, I really dislike those people. Those nerds are conformist and learn exactly what they are told to learn.

The cool kids are the ones that do things their own way. By virtue of that, they get to lead. If I were in a 2 seater plane that crashes on an island that has a dinosaur on it, I'd prefer to have a non-confirmist rebel type with me instead of a shake-in-my-boots where-is-my-teacher type!

That's nerd versus cool. Conformist vs Rebel.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#45

I think this discussion is about 2 or 3 decades out of date. Currently the issue isn't whether you are black, white, hispanic, or whatever. It's whether you are male or female. Women have taken over in the high schools and colleges. University enrollment is almost 2/3rds female nationwide and the gap is growing..... Our problem right now isn't race, it's gender. Boys are dropping out in droves and at very early ages.…

In terms you may understand, the issue everyone is discussing is why the number of black, or latina females, is so low relative their population percentages in the larger society. In particular, the percentage of latinas in the US college student population is far out of line when considering their population percentage in the larger society. Even more so when one considers that 2/3rds of university enrollment is female. That means that, all other things being equal, US university enrollment should be 10% latina, since hispanics constitute 15% of our population. The thing is . . . latina University enrollment is not 10% of overall University enrollment. Meaning, for some reason, white women are making it to the University level at a far greater rate. Why is this?

It is a legitimate question to ask, and unfortunately it demands an examination of those obvious differences like ". . . whether you are black, white, hispanic, or whatever . . ."

I agree with you, male-female disparities should be discussed as well. Perhaps you could start another topic?

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#46
What I (personally) find very interesting in American schools is the "unpopular"=="picked-on" relation.

I understand pg's argument that you have to work at being popular. In my (Indian) school, I was a typical nerd - I was poor, often wore uniforms from my previous years, I loved to read, and couldn't bother to spend the time socializing. There were a few others like me and a few widely popular, athletic, rich kids.

But we never got picked on for "being nerds"! Never! If anything, we got respect for being good at our work. It didn't make us popular but we had good friends (hell I had my share of girls in high school) and overall an enjoyable experience.

Sure there were cases of bullying, but they were one-off. It was not nerd==target and even the bullying was handled pretty soon, either by us (as a group) or the teachers.

I really would like to know where this animosity towards nerds comes from. I think that's the interesting (and painful) part of American culture that needs probing. It's definitely not universal. Any ideas?

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#47

Both Paul Graham and Wumi are off the mark. You see, unpopular people are people who have not learned to play the game successfully. There are two competitions going on in schools: 1. Be as good as you can be socially 2. Be as good as you can be regarding intellectual development Every student will want to have the maximum of both those things, but the problem is that most people tend to choose one path and then work…

I went to a fairly atypical school district in Silicon Valley where you didn't have bullies beating kids up, so I probably can't understand what everyone else is talking about. In my experience, however, you only got shunned and had severe unpopularity if you were lacking in fairly basic social skills--like, say, not throwing a tantrum after turning six. To me, it seemed like being average and sort of blending in by not doing anything too socially awkward was enough to avoid getting picked on. I don't think basic social skills are that hard to pick up for most people, and you don't need to sacrifice being smart to have the basics of not being awkward. Does anyone have any comments?

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#48
post #47

Both Paul Graham and Wumi are off the mark. You see, unpopular people are people who have not learned to play the game successfully. There are two competitions going on in schools: 1. Be as good as you can be socially 2. Be as good as you can be regarding intellectual development Every student will want to have the maximum of both those things, but the problem is that most people tend to choose one path and then work…

I went to a fairly atypical school district in Silicon Valley where you didn't have bullies beating kids up, so I probably can't understand what everyone else is talking about. In my experience, however, you only got shunned and had severe unpopularity if you were lacking in fairly basic social skills--like, say, not throwing a tantrum after turning six. To me, it seemed like being average and sort of blending in by…

Are you younger? I graduated high school in 2004 and it was a lot better than suburban high school in the past. This was at a reasonably wealthy, mostly white suburban high school near Pittsburgh (two turnpike exits from Paul Graham's high school, which was Pittsburgh's first uber-developed suburb, Monroeville).

At my high school, the people who had in middle school been popular, had mostly gotten into hard drugs and been shunned by everyone else, though these people never realized they weren't popular anymore. The football players that weren't into hard drugs were all nice enough. The cheerleaders were mostly ugly. No one was really picked on, though there were three or for kids without physical or mental disabilities that sat with the kids with physical and mental disabilities at lunch.

I was never popular but my senior year I became good friends with the class president, who played drums in the marching band with me. He was the most popular person in my high school and he was a rare geek with a great deal of social intelligence.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#49
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

of course i was right on spot. so why the downmod?

1. Your post is clumsily worded. Your argument seems to be 'oddness is mistaken for stupidity'. But you never really state that explicitly, so I'm not sure. 2. If we're 'experts' about spotting people who are too stupid, then why do we mistake oddness for stupidity? 3. Your grammar is also poor - e.g., 'to stupid to mate with'.

1.if you got it i think i was clear enough. 2.of course because it's the oddity that is spotted. 3.now you are beeing rude.

Re: Why are Black Nerds so Unpopular?

#50
Let's assume you are a male. To be popular you have to be attractive to females. To be attractive to females you have to be (strong or rich or ruthless) and (not stupid)=A and B. Definition of nerd:"Person that unconciously is labelled as stupid by the average person even though they conciously realize that he is the opposite". Since the judgment(by the females) mentioned above is unconciously made it follows that nerds are unpopular.
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