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TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by FpUser »

greatjack613 wrote: post #232
euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

This piece smells like ccp propaganda. Read the above after considering those muslims who are chained in a ccp re-education center in china. @Dang can you investigate this. I feel like the ccp is directly targeting hacker news to spread misinformation. Very scary.

>"I feel like the ccp is directly targeting hacker news to spread misinformation. Very scary."

Let's say they do. As a westerner with the moral values superior to those of China you should be immune to a propaganda. What exactly are you "very scared" of?

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Post by pishpash »

kilroy_jones wrote: post #284
pm90 wrote: post #188

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The US is neither a stable democracy (incredible levels of partisanship and voter suppression) nor does it have an independent judiciary (justices even in SCOTUS mostly vote around party lines on issues of voting ie power). The most popular media network is Fox News which is openly subservient to the President. The uptick or racism is not minor either. Racism has been embedded in the American way of life and the figh…

One can be critical of China and the US at the same time. Difference being is only in one of those two countries can you open to do both. I find these 'but the US' responses to be particularly unhelpful as they attempt to frame things very much in the vein of China's own 'do not meddle in our internal affairs ' rhetoric.

Those responses aren't rebuttals, but rather disbelief in the intellectual honesty or humanity of whatever is being debated. In short, people don't actually give a shit about other countries or how their people live, but they use the inferiority of others to make themselves feel superior. That's all exceptionalism really is.

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Post by fermienrico »

justatdotin wrote: post #299
fermienrico wrote: post #282

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Exactly, throwing around "US Military bombing everyone" is a hyperbole seeded with deep prejudice and anti-US sentiments with no objective backing. The question raised was to show the absurdity of this argument. There is a lot of shit wrong with America. But, seems like people are getting more nationalistic and throwing away logic, reasoning, objectivity, rationale and common sense - most importantly self introspecti…

ikr? what about the half of the world they -dont- bomb...

Source please.

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Post by FpUser »

vangelis wrote: post #290
fermienrico wrote: post #193

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Tell that to hundreds of thousands of Indian, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Philippino, Taiwanese, etc immigrants that work here in the tech industry. I am a little bit speechless at all this vile of anti-US propaganda. It is insane .

Thankfully facts are facts. It doesn't excuse anything China does though.

>"It doesn't excuse anything China does though"

True, it does not. But who is the judge? The idea is that you have your own backyard cleaned before barking about someone else. Otherwise you just do not have that high moral ground to speak from.

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Post by reissbaker »

nine_zeros wrote: post #298
reissbaker wrote: post #286

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GDP(PPP) is useful for observing changes within domestic markets but not global economic power. As per the page you linked: "GDP comparisons using PPP are arguably more useful than those using nominal GDP when assessing a nation's domestic market . . . It is however limited when measuring financial flows between countries." When we are discussing a Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturer stopping shipments to Huawei due…

PPP gives a great measure of total addressable market size in local currency. US nominal GDP is higher only because US dollar is 7x a Chinese yuan. But there absolutely are more humans in China, with enough yuan to buy more chips than the US. Only that they'll get paid in a lesser currency.

> with enough yuan to buy more chips than the US

Er, no. By definition a country with higher nominal GDP can afford to import more chips than a country with lower nominal GDP. That's exactly what nominal GDP calculates. This is probably why you're being downvoted into oblivion. It's also why TSMC isn't exporting its chips to Huawei anymore.

Also, there's a reason that the yuan is worth 7x less than the USD: it's because the PRC has intentionally devalued its own currency to keep manufacturing costs low and prop up local manufacturing instead of relying on imports, most recently in 2019 in an escalation of the U.S.-China trade war [1]. This helps bolster China's domestic manufacturing capabilities, but bites China in predictable ways when it wants to spend money abroad, e.g. importing chips from Taiwan.

1: https://www.investopedia.com/trading/chinese-devaluation-yua...

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Post by cbsks »

plandis wrote: post #225
ahelwer wrote: post #199

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As a Canadian living in the US: it really isn't. The US wants to believe it isn't a dumpster fire but beyond its natural beauty (literally the Chinese name for America means "beautiful country", of which I'm jealous because the Chinese name for Canada is Jianada) and high salary there are so, so many reasons why it is not a very desirable place to live. Institutional racism and a comically horrible healthcare system…

Why live in the US if you dislike it so much? Why are you willing to live in a “dumpster fire”?

Oh, I definitely would. The only things keeping me here is my job, and my wife’s job, and my family, and my wife’s family, and my friends, and my wife’s friends, and my daughter’s friends...

Moving countries isn’t easy. Sometimes you just gotta find a part of the dumpster that isn’t on fire and do the best you can.

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Post by g8oz »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #48
ArkVark wrote: post #18

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"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabil…

The interesting thing is how they're succeeding. We haven't exactly seen a resurgence of the Klan of late, you might notice. What's happening instead is that anything that can even be vaguely construed as racist, even if it doesn't hold up under scrutiny -- especially then -- becomes the subject of mob focus and attack. Because if you can convince the mob to "righteously" attack innocent targets then you get firework…

>>We haven't exactly seen a resurgence of the Klan of late, you might notice.

Are you serious? While the Klan may be played out new fascist/racist groups are definitely on the march. Google "Boogaloo boys" as just one example.

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Post by [deleted] »

reissbaker wrote: post #197
euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

> In the West you can only go so far, back there, especially if you have specialized technical knowledge, you have a chance to make an impact at scale that would never be possible in the West . . . . I am not sure what the U.S. can really do about this without adopting essentially the same repression as in China. I.E. control the flow of personal. [sic] The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's, and if you're…

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Post by lihan »

president wrote: post #262
lihan wrote: post #217

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It's a different country :) And it has different level tolerance in the freedom. Try making any speech about a race in the US despite it's correct? US has no such freedom or tolerance right? True that there are lots anti-Trump material out on the internet, but that's the US culture. The media is a tool for winning an election. One cannot force the other world to adopt the same system US has, right?

What is your argument? The point is that in one country you get the truth and in the other you don't. It doesn't take a genius to understand which is better. > One cannot force the other world to adopt the same system US has, right? Yes, you're right, China should stop forcing Tibet, Uyghurs, and Hong Kong to adopt their system.

China should stop forcing Tibet, Uyghurs, and Hong Kong to adopt their system

> wrong, they are not countries. And China didn’t force them to adapt to Chinese Cultural. Their cultural inheritance is widely seen in the region.

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Post by dirtyid »

teknologist wrote: post #294
dirtyid wrote: post #250

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TBH, these are exceedingly fringe scenarios that doesn't affect majority of expats living in China, i.e. certain motorcycle vloggers who got on the government shitlist. For the purpose of this article, if you're a sought after silicon engineer, you'll essentially have diplomatic immunity. China is going ham courting foreign talent in strategic field like 3x salary for entry level position, building churches for Korea…

Silicon Valley pays way more than any good/known tech company in China, which is why their good engineers are all emigrating to work there and to other places where life is better. It's easy to romanticize tech in China from afar, but in reality it's like how it was in the 90's in the US and needs a lot of catch up. One issue that I'd highlight right away is that there seems to be a real lack of interest in the actua…

>Catchup

Hence throwing money at strategically important industries like semiconductors. The goal isn't to pay more the west in everything, but to enough premium attract the necessary talent to meet development objectives. Like attracting sufficient Chinese engineers from the valley to sea turtle back to bolster domestic innovation while locals spam derivative products until something competitive arises. At least data from the last few years shows it's drawing Taiwanese and Korean semi engineers. But semiconductors are very hard, like turbojet engines which China also has difficulties tackling, so who knows how well this strategy will work. Only that it's worked for everything else.

>Chinese Tech

It's not romanticization, I'm not in tech and I don't know what goes on method of cultural wise behind the scenes. I just know most everyday services I interact with when in China is ahead of the west, with exception of Google maps. Maybe the code is all duct taped from github, the workers are underpaid and overworked, but the experience is better from a consumer experience. So for me whatever is happening is sufficient, and breakneck speed for practice reasons might be the kind of consumer oriented process I prefer. Silicon Valley may poach most of the talent, and have the best pay, but they haven't made my life as convenient in comparison.

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