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TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by PKop »

reissbaker wrote: post #197
euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

> In the West you can only go so far, back there, especially if you have specialized technical knowledge, you have a chance to make an impact at scale that would never be possible in the West . . . . I am not sure what the U.S. can really do about this without adopting essentially the same repression as in China. I.E. control the flow of personal. [sic] The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's, and if you're…

>The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's

No, it's not. This is a flaw of using nominal GDP which doesn't take into account currency differentials, and therefore costs of production.

China's GDP(PPP) is already bigger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by fermienrico »

fuvkthisguy wrote: post #214
fermienrico wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One big benefit of living there is you won't be bombed by the US military, I guess. US Military bombs Canadians living in Canada? I didn't know, source?

Come on now. You're being deliberately obtuse.

Exactly, throwing around "US Military bombing everyone" is a hyperbole seeded with deep prejudice and anti-US sentiments with no objective backing. The question raised was to show the absurdity of this argument.

There is a lot of shit wrong with America. But, seems like people are getting more nationalistic and throwing away logic, reasoning, objectivity, rationale and common sense - most importantly self introspection of tribalism that is going on these days.

Folks - the world is getting more inwards looking. Be careful if your psyche falls into the trap of nationalism. It will cloud your judgement and pretty much everything with it.

I am seeing this, frankly, a lot from our friends in EU. Authoritarian governments want the west to fragment and cause infighting amongst themselves. We must use facts, truth and integrity. Our democracies is at stake. It is unfortunately, not going to go well with this type of climate exasperated by Coronavirus travel restrictions.

We are heading to the wrong direction.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by xenihn »

ahelwer wrote: post #199
fermienrico wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to hundreds of thousands of Indian, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Philippino, Taiwanese, etc immigrants that work here in the tech industry. I am a little bit speechless at all this vile of anti-US propaganda. It is insane .

As a Canadian living in the US: it really isn't. The US wants to believe it isn't a dumpster fire but beyond its natural beauty (literally the Chinese name for America means "beautiful country", of which I'm jealous because the Chinese name for Canada is Jianada) and high salary there are so, so many reasons why it is not a very desirable place to live. Institutional racism and a comically horrible healthcare system…

I agree with you in regards to the delusion. People in the EU are so much happier and have better quality of life in comparison with your average American. Working in tech is one of the most valid reasons to remain in the United States. We still have the best salaries, job opportunities, and employers. That might change someday, but it's still the case.

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Post by kilroy_jones »

pm90 wrote: post #188
threeseed wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US is a stable democracy with an independent media and judiciary. And Trump’s unpopularity (~60%) means that his world view is not shared by the majority of Americans. So this idea that it is not that secure/free because of a minor uptick in racism is ridiculous. China is routinely kidnapping and torturing anyone who disagrees with them - citizen or not. And we still don’t know where many missing journalists have end…

The US is neither a stable democracy (incredible levels of partisanship and voter suppression) nor does it have an independent judiciary (justices even in SCOTUS mostly vote around party lines on issues of voting ie power). The most popular media network is Fox News which is openly subservient to the President. The uptick or racism is not minor either. Racism has been embedded in the American way of life and the figh…

One can be critical of China and the US at the same time. Difference being is only in one of those two countries can you open to do both.

I find these 'but the US' responses to be particularly unhelpful as they attempt to frame things very much in the vein of China's own 'do not meddle in our internal affairs ' rhetoric.

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Post by [deleted] »

greatjack613 wrote: post #232
euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

This piece smells like ccp propaganda. Read the above after considering those muslims who are chained in a ccp re-education center in china. @Dang can you investigate this. I feel like the ccp is directly targeting hacker news to spread misinformation. Very scary.

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Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by reissbaker »

PKop wrote: post #281
reissbaker wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the West you can only go so far, back there, especially if you have specialized technical knowledge, you have a chance to make an impact at scale that would never be possible in the West . . . . I am not sure what the U.S. can really do about this without adopting essentially the same repression as in China. I.E. control the flow of personal. [sic] The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's, and if you're…

>The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's No, it's not. This is a flaw of using nominal GDP which doesn't take into account currency differentials, and therefore costs of production. China's GDP(PPP) is already bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

GDP(PPP) is useful for observing changes within domestic markets but not global economic power. As per the page you linked: "GDP comparisons using PPP are arguably more useful than those using nominal GDP when assessing a nation's domestic market . . . It is however limited when measuring financial flows between countries." When we are discussing a Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturer stopping shipments to Huawei due to US-led pressure, GDP(PPP) isn't particularly relevant. TSMC doesn't care how much the cost of production in the US is; it produces chips in Taiwan, not America. But it does care about the total dollar value of American economic support, which nominal GDP measures, and GDP(PPP) does not.

And for the result of GDP(PPP) on individuals within domestic markets — which was another of the OP's claims, that individuals are likely to obtain more impact and success in China than in the West — you want GDP(PPP) per capita, not overall GDP(PPP). And the numbers still don't back up that claim: China is closer to Iraq than it is to even a fairly economically-challenged Western country like Greece, and nowhere near the US. [1]

Hong Kong — when measured separately from the rest of China — is actually very close to US-level GDP(PPP) per capita. But... I think HK's futures in that respect have declined significantly due to the PRC. In fact, Hong Kong used to be slightly higher than the US, and HK has declined on that metric over time while the US has risen.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by fermienrico »

PKop wrote: post #281
reissbaker wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the West you can only go so far, back there, especially if you have specialized technical knowledge, you have a chance to make an impact at scale that would never be possible in the West . . . . I am not sure what the U.S. can really do about this without adopting essentially the same repression as in China. I.E. control the flow of personal. [sic] The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's, and if you're…

>The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's No, it's not. This is a flaw of using nominal GDP which doesn't take into account currency differentials, and therefore costs of production. China's GDP(PPP) is already bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Not familiar with PPP calculations around currency differentials, does it account for Chinese currency manipulation or that would not impact the PPP?

Source of currency manipulation claims: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm751

Yes its US Gov source, but there is a lot of data presented here which I frankly can not grasp: https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/206/2019-05-28-May-20...

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Post by trsohmers »

Dahoon wrote: post #255
trsohmers wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is not, and if the PRC tried doing that there would be a major military conflict that would result in TSMC not existing for the PRC's taking.

It is part of PRC according to almost all countries. Sure a few disagrees.

There is a difference between what the PRC says and reality; they have absolutely no control of Taiwan and no country (including the PRC) actually believes that the Chinese Communist Party has any true influence/power over Taiwan. So either you are seriously uninformed on geopolitics or you like to spout BS CCP propaganda.

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Post by vangelis »

kortilla wrote: post #264
ahelwer wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically: yes, absolutely. Canadians in general love their healthcare and my personal experience with it has been nothing but positive. My frustration with American healthcare is augmented by how much better I know it can be. I pay $500/month for shit-tier health insurance here and actually using the healthcare costs even more money! Most of the drawbacks you've heard about Canadian healthcare have been promulgated…

Ah, so you’re not with a company that has a good healthcare plan. This is part of what leaves the US healthcare system so broken. The experience is drastically different if you have an employer with a “Cadillac” healthcare plan. A recent tech company I worked for in the Bay Area charged about $50 pre-tax twice a month and I paid nothing out of pocket. The gulf between good healthcare coverage and bad coverage is what…

The argument is the US health care system is worse. People like to bring up wait times, but your wait time is infinite if you can't afford a specialist / non-acute care.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by vangelis »

fermienrico wrote: post #193
pm90 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is neither a stable democracy (incredible levels of partisanship and voter suppression) nor does it have an independent judiciary (justices even in SCOTUS mostly vote around party lines on issues of voting ie power). The most popular media network is Fox News which is openly subservient to the President. The uptick or racism is not minor either. Racism has been embedded in the American way of life and the figh…

Tell that to hundreds of thousands of Indian, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Philippino, Taiwanese, etc immigrants that work here in the tech industry. I am a little bit speechless at all this vile of anti-US propaganda. It is insane .

Thankfully facts are facts. It doesn't excuse anything China does though.
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