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Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by fiblye » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 12:45 AM UTC

sergeykish wrote: post #160

actuator wrote: post #45

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Economically, yes. But they are still strong in defence tech. They are not that easy to push around just by threat of a war.

Really second tier [1], just holding nuclear weapon [2] and good brainwashing by state media. Economically far behind [3]. Nothing to gain with direct confrontation, no TSMC in Crimea, wars for prestige should be successful. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_we... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_…

When talking about war, the only measure more useless and irrelevant than GDP and economic strength is toenail length.

Afghanistan is sitting at around $500/capita. Russia and the US have completely failed there despite four decades of conflict. Vietnam was about $60-70 during the tail end of the Vietnam War[1]. We know how that ended.

I'd say that maybe you could win if you abandoned traditional war tactics and just bombed indiscriminately and avoided suffering too many casualties, but, well, that was tried and failed in those wars. You also wouldn't want to try it against a country that can and will fire back.

[1] https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/vietnam?year=2008

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by rhodium » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 12:51 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #279

mcqueenjordan wrote: post #87

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Exactly. I think Noam Chomsky said something along these lines: I cannot think of a case where a nation intervened in or influenced another country in a purely disinterested humanitarian fashion. That doesn't mean national interests cannot coincide with good outcomes, though.

Kosovo? The US didn't seem to have much in the way of interests there.

Kosovo was a part of Serbia, a Russian-backed client state. You would never see the US advocate for the people's right for self-determination for Palestine or Scotland.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by nujabe » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 12:55 AM UTC

greatjack613 wrote: post #232

euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

This piece smells like ccp propaganda. Read the above after considering those muslims who are chained in a ccp re-education center in china. @Dang can you investigate this. I feel like the ccp is directly targeting hacker news to spread misinformation. Very scary.

You are quite delusional to think dang will take down CCP material. According to him, anti-ccp content is equivalent to inciting 'nationalistic flame wars'.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by teknologist » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 12:56 AM UTC

dirtyid wrote: post #250

microcolonel wrote: post #226

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> They get paid like kings and mostly live like kings. Careful with present tense, things have taken a stark turn for the worse in terms of the day-to-day reality of western foreigners in China, and it already was not spectacular (minders checking in on your domicile every couple weeks or month, basically zero standing in legal disputes including routine contract disputes).

TBH, these are exceedingly fringe scenarios that doesn't affect majority of expats living in China, i.e. certain motorcycle vloggers who got on the government shitlist. For the purpose of this article, if you're a sought after silicon engineer, you'll essentially have diplomatic immunity. China is going ham courting foreign talent in strategic field like 3x salary for entry level position, building churches for Korea…

Silicon Valley pays way more than any good/known tech company in China, which is why their good engineers are all emigrating to work there and to other places where life is better.

It's easy to romanticize tech in China from afar, but in reality it's like how it was in the 90's in the US and needs a lot of catch up. One issue that I'd highlight right away is that there seems to be a real lack of interest in the actual work; everything's done at breakneck speed for purely practical reasons and they wouldn't get very far without being able to copy/paste from github.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by qlk1123 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 12:57 AM UTC

lihan wrote: post #211

m00x wrote: post #42

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I'm sure the feeling is reciprocated. Taiwan is being bullied 24/7 by China. They even have Chinese military jets doing "military exercises" in the Taiwan fly zones. https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/voa-news-china/chi...

The bully really stems of that some do not recognise "one China", which is not the point of view in Beijing. You cannot say it's bully if Taiwan is part of China. If you have doubt, search "1992 Consensus".

Stop spreading artificial history like "1992 Consensus". It was not even mentioned in the 1992 meeting.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by dicomdan » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:28 AM UTC

PKop wrote: post #281

reissbaker wrote: post #197

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> In the West you can only go so far, back there, especially if you have specialized technical knowledge, you have a chance to make an impact at scale that would never be possible in the West . . . . I am not sure what the U.S. can really do about this without adopting essentially the same repression as in China. I.E. control the flow of personal. [sic] The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's, and if you're…

>The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's No, it's not. This is a flaw of using nominal GDP which doesn't take into account currency differentials, and therefore costs of production. China's GDP(PPP) is already bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Using PPP values instead of real values to compare countries is mathematically incorrect, by definition.

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Post by pishpash » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:33 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #247

School-Cotton wrote: post #213

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PBS and NPR are in fact directly controlled by the government. It’s interesting that those are your two examples of gold standard independent media.

They are both independent non-profits which rely on a mix of private and public funds. Not sure through what mechanism you think they are directly controlled.

The state-controlled CPB exerts significant influence via funding and the FCC via regulatory reach. This isn't theoretical. Whether that's "direct" control or not is in the eye of the beholder, but people have accused media in other countries of being not independent under similar circumstances.

Personally I think anyone can live in their own fiction as long as they are not hurting anyone else, but to consider a strategic resource like the media as being truly independent in any country is naive. You're literally missing an entire world if you do not look outside your home country.

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Post by nine_zeros » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:43 AM UTC

reissbaker wrote: post #286

PKop wrote: post #281

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>The U.S. economy is nearly 2x larger than China's No, it's not. This is a flaw of using nominal GDP which doesn't take into account currency differentials, and therefore costs of production. China's GDP(PPP) is already bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

GDP(PPP) is useful for observing changes within domestic markets but not global economic power. As per the page you linked: "GDP comparisons using PPP are arguably more useful than those using nominal GDP when assessing a nation's domestic market . . . It is however limited when measuring financial flows between countries." When we are discussing a Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturer stopping shipments to Huawei due…

PPP gives a great measure of total addressable market size in local currency.

US nominal GDP is higher only because US dollar is 7x a Chinese yuan.

But there absolutely are more humans in China, with enough yuan to buy more chips than the US. Only that they'll get paid in a lesser currency.

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Post by justatdotin » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:56 AM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #282

fuvkthisguy wrote: post #214

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Come on now. You're being deliberately obtuse.

Exactly, throwing around "US Military bombing everyone" is a hyperbole seeded with deep prejudice and anti-US sentiments with no objective backing. The question raised was to show the absurdity of this argument. There is a lot of shit wrong with America. But, seems like people are getting more nationalistic and throwing away logic, reasoning, objectivity, rationale and common sense - most importantly self introspecti…

ikr? what about the half of the world they -dont- bomb...

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by pishpash » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:00 AM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #282

fuvkthisguy wrote: post #214

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Come on now. You're being deliberately obtuse.

Exactly, throwing around "US Military bombing everyone" is a hyperbole seeded with deep prejudice and anti-US sentiments with no objective backing. The question raised was to show the absurdity of this argument. There is a lot of shit wrong with America. But, seems like people are getting more nationalistic and throwing away logic, reasoning, objectivity, rationale and common sense - most importantly self introspecti…

It is only hyperbole to the exceptionally privileged, exactly mirroring the belief that internal police violence is hyperbole. It is or is not depending on who you are/where you live.

Many authoritarian governments in history and today exist because people desire security and fear the incredible violence exhibited by an external, dominant power. If you don't make sure this actually is hyperbole and check the abuse of power at home and abroad, the violence will one day (perhaps soon) come to you, along with authoritarianism. Not recognizing the cause and not seeing the already creeping trend in the face of all evidence is what's clouding people's judgement.