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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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"oppositional defiant disorder" That's what they call mouthy rebels these days

Indeed. Sounds like a modern form of drapetomania[1] -- a pathologization of normal, albeit undesirable, behavior.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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You might already be aware, but it is possible to reclaim most of what was lost via the principle of tissue expansion. It’s called foreskin restoration and allows you to regrow basically everything except the frenulum/ridged band. It’s time-consuming and takes awhile to learn how to tug properly, and in a certain sense can be psychologically painful to go through, but the results I’ve personally seen so far have been…

Off topic, but I have always felt like something was taken from me re: my circumsion as a child. Do you have any resources or guides you recommend on restoration? I've looked in to manual tugging and some of the stretching devices. The devices don't seem practical to wear around discreetly on a day to day basis, and I haven't gotten manual technique to show results yet.

I haven’t tried devices. I mainly do MM3 (andre’s method) and MM2. It took me quite some time to learn how to tug effectively.

Results are very slow and I started from a very tight cut. I’m still not even at a “loose cut” level so I have quite a bit left to go.

Not sure if you’ve heard of it, but red light therapy makes a big difference in the rate of tissue expansion.

http://www.jmbe.org.tw/files/1641/public/1641-4366-1-PB.pdf

I think adding RLT to manual methods will drastically improve your results. Just a couple sessions of fairly high intensity RLT a day does wonders.

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TL;DR: like you I’m still figuring things out. But I’m pretty encouraged overall.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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The following is not a comment on this particular incident and is far outside the overton window. Men, specifically young men, commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime. This is at a great cost to society. The victims suffer as a direct result of the crimes, the perpetrators suffer as a result of their necessary detention to protect the wider public, and detention itself is expensive. Would it be so terrible…

Yes, this is horrible and no, from a utilitarian perspective this does not make sense. You are basically argueing for chemical castration. This is exactly the kind of medicalization attitude which is very dangerous. The correct way isn't pumping our youth full with hormones or other chemicals, but giving them sufficient therapy and care and by ensuring that their environment in jail accommodates for a safe return into society, instead of turning juvinele youth into professional criminals and joining prison gangs.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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post #95

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We have the opposite here (Otago, Aotearoa). I friend and neighbour of mine, on completing their nurses training, went to work at the local prison. The medical care they dispensed there was far above what the prisoners received out side. And we have a good general medical system. The guards may well have been sadistic when away from medical personnel, I cannot say. There are all sorts of problems of all sorts of diff…

> ARe things realy getting that bad? It's always been this bad, it's just that people who weren't given a voice now have some new means to be heard and are actually being listened to instead of having their experiences discounted and discarded.

How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time?

How can any body sleep at night?

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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This doctor must lose their medical license for life. At best they are wildly incompetent, at worst they are maliciously inflicting harm upon a teen for personal or political reasons.

Giving estrogen to men usually causes irreversible sterility for life. The doctor would have known this. The pharmacist would have known this. That they chose to proceed with the risk of sterilizing a boy without notifying his parents implies horrific things about the doctor's view of the lack of humanity of their patient.

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I added "the risk of" to the previous paragraph, as elsethread notes that the sterility outcome usually requires much longer dosing intervals. Noted, but if I remember correctly, men pursuing a change in gender are expected to sign their name or initial in the box at least ten times in a row in order to receive their prescription — once for each side effect, due to the severity and permanence of those side effects. Both doctor and pharmacist had a professional duty to review those severe side effects with the patient and their legal guardian.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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post #90

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More men generally die annually from breast cancer[1] than testicular cancer[2]. The reason men's rights movements are mocked is because of comments like this that equate any possible problem men have as been on equal footing with all the problems that women have. [1] - https://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/breast-cancer/statistics [2] - https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...

Testicular cancer is a bad example, but it looks like from some quick googling in USA ~42k women die each year from breast cancer while ~33k men die from prostate cancer. Overall "cancer mortality is higher among men than women (196.8 per 100,000 men and 139.6 per 100,000 women)"[1] Significantly higher. Men on average live 5 less years than women. Cancer research funding relative to annual deaths[2] shows breast can…

I am well aware of prostate cancer being a bigger threat to men than testicular cancer, but the comment mentioned one and not the other. It is not my responsibility to improve the arguments of men's rights activists. Plus I felt that "men's right activists are biased" was a more productive retort than "men's right activists are both biased and ignorant".

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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If a coach was doping teen athletes with test without their knowledge or coercing them in to it, hell even misleading them to do it, I'm pretty sure I would expect jail time, assault charges etc. And you would probably be in favour as well. But because attacking this feels like an attack on your political narrative you feel the need to spin it inside of it and downplay this. And don't even try the "this is a medical…

I think I'd support jail time for this abuse, FWIW (to be fair I've only read the one article). I'm reacting to the gendered reasoning among the poster above. It's bad because it's an unnecessary medical process used (apparently) as a punishment, not because it stole his manhood or whatever. I'm fine if you're super upset. But if you're MORE upset because of the gendering interaction, that's wrong. The poster above c…

Potentially rendering someone sterile is a worse assault and bodily harm than just gender tampering, whatever that would be on its own.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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> Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons. I've personally watched guards ignore diabetic patients in crisis, and heard them tell arrested, but not yet convicted, people to not declare any medical condition that they need medications for while in custody, because the cops didn't want to drive the arrested persons to the hospital and keep them under observation while they're p…

We have the opposite here (Otago, Aotearoa). I friend and neighbour of mine, on completing their nurses training, went to work at the local prison. The medical care they dispensed there was far above what the prisoners received out side. And we have a good general medical system. The guards may well have been sadistic when away from medical personnel, I cannot say. There are all sorts of problems of all sorts of diff…

Getting? They've always been like this.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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The right is responsible for plenty of problems and people have no problems discussing that, yet I’ve found here and elsewhere people are uncomfortable discussing this clearly leftist phenomenon. No one on the political or social right is pushing to inject kids as young as 8 with sterilizing hormones.

No one on the left is either?!? What the hell dude, did you take a wrong turn from Infowars or something?
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