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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by worik »

gruez wrote: post #43
jnosCo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like at least two of those could be removed by universal healthcare.

I presume you're talking about pharmacy profit and insurance company profit. "universal healthcare" just means everyone's covered. It doesn't mean everything's owned & operated by the government. That means there can still be private insurance companies and pharmacies, both making a profit.

"universal healthcare" just means everyone's covered.

That is unnecessary. You know what was meant. No need to be deliberately obtuse

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by tyho »

The following is not a comment on this particular incident and is far outside the overton window.

Men, specifically young men, commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime. This is at a great cost to society. The victims suffer as a direct result of the crimes, the perpetrators suffer as a result of their necessary detention to protect the wider public, and detention itself is expensive.

Would it be so terrible to offer the most violent offenders an option of becoming chemically "feminised", so as to expedite their safe return to society? Yes, is probably the correct answer, but it doesn't hurt to discuss the topic. From a utilitarian perspective it might offer an alternative to the existing criminal justice system, where recidivism and sentence length could be reduced substantially.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by heavyset_go »

worik wrote: post #95
heavyset_go wrote: post #61

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> Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons. I've personally watched guards ignore diabetic patients in crisis, and heard them tell arrested, but not yet convicted, people to not declare any medical condition that they need medications for while in custody, because the cops didn't want to drive the arrested persons to the hospital and keep them under observation while they're p…

We have the opposite here (Otago, Aotearoa). I friend and neighbour of mine, on completing their nurses training, went to work at the local prison. The medical care they dispensed there was far above what the prisoners received out side. And we have a good general medical system. The guards may well have been sadistic when away from medical personnel, I cannot say. There are all sorts of problems of all sorts of diff…

> ARe things realy getting that bad?

It's always been this bad, it's just that people who weren't given a voice now have some new means to be heard and are actually being listened to instead of having their experiences discounted and discarded.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by hexo »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #78

> “Estrogen is not a treatment for ODD. I can’t be more emphatic about that,” McGough said. “You won’t find a reference anywhere that supports the use of estrogen for ODD.” Well certainly the doctor got this theory from someplace. They believed this young man would be better behaved if he had less testosterone and more estrogen, and went ahead with a treatment against scientific evidence (and ethics quite frankly). S…

(deleting because of not funny unwise comment)

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by Latty »

gruez wrote: post #100
Latty wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume they are referring to most of the current suggestions for universal healthcare in the US, which follow a centralised model where a central body could collectively negotiate for drug prices (as the NHS does here in the UK, very effectively).

>which follow a centralised model where a central body could collectively negotiate for drug prices That's orthogonal to universal healthcare or even a single payer system. There's nothing preventing you from having the whole country be represented collectively, but still have private insurers, like in germany. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2019/how-drug-prices-a...

Sure, that's true. It's not exactly uncommon to conflate a term with the most common/likely implementations known though, which is what I assumed happened here. It is true that universal healthcare could solve those problems, even if it doesn't have to.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by themgt »

slg wrote: post #90
justaguyhere wrote: post #74

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Not just young men, all men I suppose. Breast cancer receives tons of attention and money compared to testicular cancer. Men's rights movements are made fun of. Sexual assaults on men is funny while the same on women is horrifying. Casually making jokes about it in movies is okay, as long as the victim is male. etc etc.

More men generally die annually from breast cancer[1] than testicular cancer[2]. The reason men's rights movements are mocked is because of comments like this that equate any possible problem men have as been on equal footing with all the problems that women have. [1] - https://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/breast-cancer/statistics [2] - https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...

Testicular cancer is a bad example, but it looks like from some quick googling in USA ~42k women die each year from breast cancer while ~33k men die from prostate cancer. Overall "cancer mortality is higher among men than women (196.8 per 100,000 men and 139.6 per 100,000 women)"[1] Significantly higher. Men on average live 5 less years than women.

Cancer research funding relative to annual deaths[2] shows breast cancer far "overfunded" relative to everything else. Government breast cancer research funding looks generally double prostate cancer research funding[3]

You can debate the above points or how exactly funding should be allocated, but if your response is to justify mocking any concerns, perhaps you are not really assessing the evidence in good faith.

[1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics.

[2] https://cdn2.poz.com/75944_Northwestern-cancer-funding-death....

[3] https://katatrepsis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/us-funding.j...

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by restorer »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #91
dsun179 wrote: post #54

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I remember when I had "strange behaviors" as young boy. Some times later i was circumcised. 30 years later I still suffer from it. I want to get kids soon. I hope they get a strange as I was. Stupid, funny, dangerous.

You might already be aware, but it is possible to reclaim most of what was lost via the principle of tissue expansion. It’s called foreskin restoration and allows you to regrow basically everything except the frenulum/ridged band. It’s time-consuming and takes awhile to learn how to tug properly, and in a certain sense can be psychologically painful to go through, but the results I’ve personally seen so far have been…

Off topic, but I have always felt like something was taken from me re: my circumsion as a child.

Do you have any resources or guides you recommend on restoration? I've looked in to manual tugging and some of the stretching devices. The devices don't seem practical to wear around discreetly on a day to day basis, and I haven't gotten manual technique to show results yet.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by [deleted] »

fortran77 wrote: post #62
microcolonel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You did not read the complete details of the case (or frankly, even read the comment you're replying to). The dose was large enough to give him gynecomastia, which the other inmates bullied him for, and for which he will require surgery. His father reports that his son's personality is completely different, he is now a total shut-in. > He got an inappropriate drug He was injected† with non-indicated (as in, there is…

The commenter is underplaying it because the commenter has an agenda.

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

stupidcar wrote: post #14

This reads like the plot of a dystopian young adult sci-fi novel. Children who resist authority being diagnosed with a "behavioural disorder" and being forcibly given hormones by an evil doctor. Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society.

> Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society.

This news article exists because it’s an exception, not the rule.

Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment. Even one case is too many, obviously, but it’s not the norm.

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