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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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> Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case. Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons.

> Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons.

I've personally watched guards ignore diabetic patients in crisis, and heard them tell arrested, but not yet convicted, people to not declare any medical condition that they need medications for while in custody, because the cops didn't want to drive the arrested persons to the hospital and keep them under observation while they're prescribed the medication they need.

If you don't declare any medical conditions during the intake process, and then you have a medical crisis while in custody because you don't have the medication you need to manage your condition, they aren't liable, and good luck convincing the cops to take you to a doctor.

I've heard from case workers that the medical staff in prisons delight in purposely not treating, under-treating, or mistreating prisoners' medical conditions. They just throw anti-psychotics at people because those medications keep the prisoners sedated and compliant, despite the fact that APs have serious side-effects that can be permanent and disabling.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Came here ready to be horrified at the gender paranoia living under the surface of HN, was actually surprised with how reasonable everyone was. Except this comment. None of those symptoms (infertility, "complete mental destruction" or, heh, "assault on the testicles") are alleged here. He got an inappropriate drug, possibly punitively. And that's horrifying enough without painting figurative spectres of the unimagina…

You did not read the complete details of the case (or frankly, even read the comment you're replying to). The dose was large enough to give him gynecomastia, which the other inmates bullied him for, and for which he will require surgery. His father reports that his son's personality is completely different, he is now a total shut-in. > He got an inappropriate drug He was injected† with non-indicated (as in, there is…

The commenter is underplaying it because the commenter has an agenda.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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I see no problem here. Kid should sue and win. Doctor gets investigated by the local/regional/national board of medicine and is disbarred for not practicing evidence-based medicine. Jail comes under investigation for their choice to hire the doctor (who ostensibly lacked the red flags to prevent his hiring). This is how the system works. It’s not like you can know which doctors are the bad apples before malpractice l…

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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"oppositional defiant disorder" That's what they call mouthy rebels these days

no, that's what they usually call young 'psychopaths' that act out, aka 'sociopaths'... there is a high correlation between the two, but no psychologist wants to label a kid as a sociopath...

I had one, in class (5th or 6th grade), and I remember the experience was eye opening. Teachers had to spend a copius amount of energy just to keep him in check.... his behavior would oscillate between funny/to scary dangerous within minutes.

at some point he got in trouble for trying to put the classroom on fire (see how fast do the desks lit/catch fire).... and got trouble again for trying to do the same to his neighbors. He eventually got removed (and I assumed ended up in juvenile correction facility).

Normally this label is not given to kids that have run of the mill problems (aka ADD/ADHD), but only for serious cases.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You did not read the complete details of the case (or frankly, even read the comment you're replying to). The dose was large enough to give him gynecomastia, which the other inmates bullied him for, and for which he will require surgery. His father reports that his son's personality is completely different, he is now a total shut-in. > He got an inappropriate drug He was injected† with non-indicated (as in, there is…

> He was injected with non-indicated contradictory sex hormones during adolescence and under duress; I don't know why you're downplaying this I'm not downplaying this at all. It's you who are boosting your interpretation because of "assault on the testicles", "mental destruction", "sex hormone", and other things that tell me what you're really upset about is his masculinity and not his well being. No, I don't think t…

An opiate is very different than messing with hormones in a teen.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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post #16

This reads like the plot of a dystopian young adult sci-fi novel. Children who resist authority being diagnosed with a "behavioural disorder" and being forcibly given hormones by an evil doctor. Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society.

one flew over the cuckoos nest?

Its funny you cite the novel whereas the author, psychedelic guru Ken Kesey, based the book off his real life experience working as a nurses aid in a psychiatric ward while simultaneously being part of a CIA program testing hallucinogens.

For those unfamiliar with the back story of the novel, Kesey conceived the plot and characters while tripping on peyote while at work in the ward...his revelation being the patients were the sane ones and the workers enforcing the rules where insane, which was a metaphor for the modern dystopia he lived in. Times Magazine described it as: "a roar of protest against middlebrow society's Rules and the invisible Rulers who enforce them."

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You did not read the complete details of the case (or frankly, even read the comment you're replying to). The dose was large enough to give him gynecomastia, which the other inmates bullied him for, and for which he will require surgery. His father reports that his son's personality is completely different, he is now a total shut-in. > He got an inappropriate drug He was injected† with non-indicated (as in, there is…

The commenter is underplaying it because the commenter has an agenda.

Can you enlighten me as to what you think my agenda is? For myself, I'm pretty sure I posted that comment so people who might otherwise like to frequent HN doesn't get the idea that the median poster here is a transphobe. Obviously I might be wrong about that, but someone needs to put in the effort.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Cruel and unusual punishment being referred to as "biohacking", sounds like typical Hacker News.

I think there’s more than a hint of transphobia in the comment too, given that hrt is used in gender transitioning.

Definitely not. I'm a passionate biohacker (normal people get shocked with how many different pills I self-prescribe) and trans admirer (yet I actually believe forcing people this way is an atrocity, they can only choose for themselves). What I actually hate, however, is political correctness (people who take "inappropriate" humor seriously and actually get or pretend offended - that's whom we should treat with hormones! ;-).

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Until the doctor says his diagnosis is the child’s behavioral problems were rooted in gender dysphoria.

That's not how diagnoses for gender dysphoria work.

One would hope not, but there's e.g. a BBS Newsnight report among other sources that says the diagnosis and treatment protocols aren't as rigorous as they could be.
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