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U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by [deleted] »

ralmidani wrote: post #96
DevKoala wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same as you. I am also an immigrant that came to the USA escaping a country where people were suffering after decades of oppression and a string of socialist dictatorships. Seeing the actions of the CCP being normalized and defended in the USA concerns me a lot.

I didn't immigrate to the US, my parents did. From Syria. I lived there for a few years, and it's absolutely infuriating how some Americans equate their government with Assad, CCP, Khamenei, Putin, Kim, Duterte, etc.

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Post by Aunche »

muleroid wrote: post #134
cowmoo728 wrote: post #118

There is so much to unpack here that it's difficult to even get started. The US government has encouraged companies to work with China for decades. I remember it being big news when GM opened a joint venture in China in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM The Clinton administration pushed hard to increase trade with China and make it easier for American companies to outsource manufacturing. https://en.wikiped…

Historically the US trade relationship with China was based on a principal that doing so would encourage the adoption of democracy there. Seeing as how that hasn't happened, this kind of rhetoric could just be an attempt to course correct (maybe overly so). I'm sure the upcoming elections also play a part in this. The article briefly mentions that as well.

Encouraging the adoption of democracy is never a true goal to any geopolitical decision. It's only used to deflect criticism from naysayers. The US has used the same justification to bomb nations and install fascist dictators. "You oppose going to war with Iraq? So you hate democracy then?"

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Post by awinder »

This is like pitching feature requests during a sev-1 call. It’s an election year (nothing will be done on this), there’s a raging pandemic (nothing will be done on this). I know we’ve all interviewed for other places while still employed but damn I usually do it with less gusto and publicity.

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Post by grumio »

cpr wrote: post #55
scarface74 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flynn admitted lying. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/4217...

Only because he was pressured to, to save himself and his son financially. This is an incredible scandal which didn't come to light since the DOJ dropped the case against him. The prosecutors colluded with his own law firm to deny him justice. This has all come out since Syndey Powell took his case.

Flynn told FBI he didn't discuss specific sanctions in phone calls to a specific person. He did. Primary source, the phone transcripts, available for all to read: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-...

What am I missing?

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Post by henryfjordan »

mooseburger wrote: post #54
okareaman wrote: post #39

I see the East Coast power centers having waning influence on the Pacific Rim states of the West Coast, who are uniquely positioned to work with Asian countries

I see that the global center of capital is continuing its millenia long westward migration. Past the US west coast, and into China. From Prometheus Rising: > Brooks Adams also noted that centralized capital (the accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few inter-related families) seems to have been moving steadily West throughout recorded history. The first major accumulations are to be found in Sumer; the center of…

That quote relies on a Euro-centric view of world history (and some bad geography) and completely ignores centuries of history during the middle ages where knowledge and wealth was being concentrated in the Islamic world and basically all of Asian history.

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Post by sidibe »

justinzollars wrote: post #63
DevKoala wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Employing your line of thought - noone should condemn anything unless they condemn everything antithetical to their principals/views. Yes, it is called hypocrisy. The individual in question has a powerful speech platform due to his role. Such power should be used responsibly. Moreover, why aren’t statements against the USA government harmful to businesses? Because we have free speech. We should protect it, and deno…

Steering this back to Google's decision to pull out of China after exploits - the Tech Industry has expressed views that have cost it significant amounts of revenue. We've fought back unlike other industries.

It's funny to see Google/Facebook get slagged over China. Anyone who truly cared about companies doing business in China should try to discriminate between companies that are actually doing what they are arguing for and the ones that aren't, but often I think it's just another hammer to bash the companies they don't like.

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Post by vmception »

tkinom wrote: post #139
vmception wrote: post #131

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Grandparent poster here, this is exactly what I was aiming to say regarding the nation-state as a social organizing principle being obsolete and the dualities being equally irrelevant. The final thing I would say is that communism lost , except in name alone, so that makes this perspective so much easier! All major powers reformed to market based economies and dropped the strict marxist ideologies, even if some teach…

"communism lost, except in name alone" - unfortunately not according the CCP / Xi. They/He still thinks China are winning according the Communism/Socialism principals and not before the Deng's market reform 30/40 years ago.

that's exactly what I am referring to, they do teach marxist ideals but they don't teach the contradictions to their populace while their free trade zones and market based reforms grow and grow and are wildly popular

this is very easy to integrate into, compared to not having 7 special economic zones and administrative regions, and massive metropolitan areas supporting those zones.

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Post by cgriswald »

jerrac wrote: post #136
cowmoo728 wrote: post #118

There is so much to unpack here that it's difficult to even get started. The US government has encouraged companies to work with China for decades. I remember it being big news when GM opened a joint venture in China in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM The Clinton administration pushed hard to increase trade with China and make it easier for American companies to outsource manufacturing. https://en.wikiped…

> Virtually every large american company needs clear laws on working with China. I partially agree. Yes, the Federal government should heavily regulate trade with China. But companies don't need to wait on the Government to do what is right. Companies could have ignored any Government push to do business in China. Outsourcing ethics to Government regulation is just plain wrong.

It seems it's been a necessary course of action over the course of the last two centuries regardless of the morality of it.

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Post by bllguo »

stx wrote: post #129
hungryhobo wrote: post #90

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do you find it kinda scary that you can hate a regime so much given that you've never been to said country? I'm 99% sure you've never been to China given what you wrote.

I have been to China and have family from there. I can confirm that what he is saying is correct. China plays by a different set of rules.

Correct? How so?

I can assure you that most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed (and enfranchisement is not as valued there as it is here).

The regime has been objectively _good_ for the overwhelming majority of Chinese people. The economic growth and societal stability is what's unprecedented. This is not an excuse for the wrongs they are perpetrating, it's an acknowledgement of facts.

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