The same companies (rightfully) saying “Black Lives Matter” are willing to suspend Hong Kong protestors to appease the CCP.
Just shows you how genuine their motives are, in case you had any doubts
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#62I'm not sure this is true. Many tech companies I've worked for in the past have had a lot of trouble operating in China. Some don't even try. The NBA on the other hand. I love Steve Kerr. He tweets daily about Trump and how he abuses human rights, but ask him about HK and he gets quite really quick. If a man that rich is afraid to say something - thats a tremendous amount of power. I just don't see this type influenc…
Employing your line of thought - noone should condemn anything unless they condemn everything antithetical to their principals/views. Furthermore, Kerr is an employee and whatever statement he makes on HK would be inconsequential but also extremely harmful to his employer and co-workers. If actual change is wanted then we should divert our attention to the government where the real change happen.
> Employing your line of thought - noone should condemn anything unless they condemn everything antithetical to their principals/views.
Yes, it is called hypocrisy.
The individual in question has a powerful speech platform due to his role. Such power should be used responsibly.
Moreover, why aren’t statements against the USA government harmful to businesses? Because we have free speech. We should protect it, and denounce the actors in the world trying to censor us.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Employing your line of thought - noone should condemn anything unless they condemn everything antithetical to their principals/views. Furthermore, Kerr is an employee and whatever statement he makes on HK would be inconsequential but also extremely harmful to his employer and co-workers. If actual change is wanted then we should divert our attention to the government where the real change happen.
> Employing your line of thought - noone should condemn anything unless they condemn everything antithetical to their principals/views. Yes, it is called hypocrisy. The individual in question has a powerful speech platform due to his role. Such power should be used responsibly. Moreover, why aren’t statements against the USA government harmful to businesses? Because we have free speech. We should protect it, and deno…
Steering this back to Google's decision to pull out of China after exploits - the Tech Industry has expressed views that have cost it significant amounts of revenue. We've fought back unlike other industries.
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#64Conveniently left out are all the Republican-friendly companies and industries which do the same (and more). Automobile, equipment manufacturers, aircrafts, fast food, clothing, sports leagues...everyone bows down to money. This is the obvious result of our capitalist system. What's the point in calling out a handful of tech companies?
Because they have inordinate influence, same as with all the movie studios that are now heavily reliant on China for money. Most countries don't do great stuff constantly, but China is definitely outdoing itself the last few years: - Hong Kong - Organ harvesting - Enslave/sterilize Muslim minorities - Sinking Vietnamese fishing boats - Killing Indian soldiers - Coverup of the whole virus situation until it was too la…
Ehh you could say the same about the US.
The US is currently: bombing several countries, putting asylum seekers in high density prisons, blatantly ignoring a global pandemic, assassinating foreign leaders, disproportionately killing and imprisoning black people, using its currency to maintain global hegemony, starting trade wars with pretty much everyone, allies included, spying on the entire world, allies included, emitting a disproportionate amount of carbon, actively rolling back environmental protections, etc etc
The US isn’t that different than China, some might consider US imperialism to be a greater evil. If it is wrong for companies to operate in China, how can you justify them operating in the United States?
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#65Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies need to stop doing business if the leaked drone footage of Uygher Muslims is true. But this is likely a statement from Barr made because Trump himself is about as effective as a burnt noodle in a gunfight in terms of foreign policy right now. The best he can do is act through others.
You mean like the government stopped doing business with Saudi Arabia after 9/11 or how we didn’t support the Osama led Sandinistas in the 80s? The US government can’t exactly stand up tsk tsking with any type of moral authority on anything.
Not taking a stand just because the US Government doesn't lead by example is foolish
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
US leaders need to make it clear how they expect Americans and American countries (edit: I meant companies) to act, via new and existing legislation and orders. Absent that, the incentives just aren't there. There is a way to do business/life in China where you aren’t exposed to the things we disagree about with China, and its also now a very large market based economy with all the trappings and comforts of being ric…
"American countries"?
I meant companies
But given the companies we’re talking about maybe subconsciously I meant what I wrote
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Flynn admitted lying. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/4217...
Only because he was pressured to, to save himself and his son financially. This is an incredible scandal which didn't come to light since the DOJ dropped the case against him. The prosecutors colluded with his own law firm to deny him justice. This has all come out since Syndey Powell took his case.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Any citations?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
US leaders need to make it clear how they expect Americans and American countries (edit: I meant companies) to act, via new and existing legislation and orders. Absent that, the incentives just aren't there. There is a way to do business/life in China where you aren’t exposed to the things we disagree about with China, and its also now a very large market based economy with all the trappings and comforts of being ric…
"American countries"?
Sorry the EU
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#70What's the concern that's being identified in all these stories? It would be good to have an enumeration of clear concerns.
Is it that:
1) the companies are letting Americans' hardware be controlled / data escape and be monitored in China, or
2) that people in China subject to their laws (un-American as those laws may be) are being monitored (and worse)?
Because if it's the first topic, how do we not manage to buy/require/put in technical safeguards against our own people being monitored, or our equipment being taken over remotely? If we can't even do that, then how is any equipment we buy safe? But if we do, then is the argument that we're helping China get stronger by contributing to their economy or technological dominance? And that's undesirable to have a power shift that decreases our standing?
Who's responsible for deciding what standing we want to have in the world? Who's guiding that steering wheel and what's the destination? I daresay it's odd for the administration to be speaking up about this one thing, when it's mute on so many other factors that set our technological dominance.
Or if the 2nd argument, how far do our laws extend? Is that a principle to be applied to all countries by us, that they should not do things to their own citizens that would be illegal here? If we want universally respected laws to apply to other countries, I would think we could do ourselves a favor by respecting other laws and organizations that we currently choose to say are not in our convenience to follow.
Or is it something else? If you want me to be patriotic, tell me what I'm signing up for.