IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration • Hacker News Board

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by LanceH » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

flattone wrote: post #69

knowhy wrote: post #41

Obviously a typo, they probably meant 1-2 years, which is realistic. While this is probably not actually the case here, I see it quite often that companies have unrealistic expectations when it comes to work experience with technologies like k8s. For example it is quite common here in Berlin to expect 4+ years of k8s experience. Which is unrealistic to find taking into account that k8s initial release was 6 years ago…

I cant see missing the '-' as a typo

Pressing 12+ instead of 2+ is an easy typo.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by P-ala-din » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:18 PM UTC

mcherm wrote: post #55

codingdave wrote: post #10

Recruiters putting silly time requirements on skills is nothing new. My favorite moment of this type was at a meetup for .NET, where a recruiter came in and asked for too many years of experience, and the entire room burst out laughing. She just smiled, accepted the grief we all were giving her, and changed the job description to be accurate. I forget the exact wording she used, but I remember the gist of her respons…

I get that she was actually a nice person who simply didn't know when .NET was invented. But I do not accept that she made a harmless and easily fixed error on the job requirements because of this. Frankly, I'm not that concerned that the job requirements demanded more years of .NET experience then it was possible to have. I am more concerned about all the other requirements that were listed on that job description w…

just supporting your point: Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified [1]

[1] - https://hbr.org/2014/08/why-women-dont-apply-for-jobs-unless...

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by runawaybottle » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:34 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #196

vsskanth wrote: post #151

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You have to provide evidence to USCIS (letters from past employers) that you worked on kubernetes for 12 years. They don't simply take your assertions at face value.

Do they take the letters at face value, or do they do some basic sanity checks to make sure the technology has been around as long as the experience you claimed to have?

I can promise you immigration services are not verifying if someone really knows Kubernetes.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by Ensorceled » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

blablabla123 wrote: post #181

Ensorceled wrote: post #160

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I think you don't properly appreciate how many job applications somebody can get, and just what a large percentage of those are just spam disguised as applications -- "let me recruit for you", "hire me on contract", "I'm in , sponsor me", "fire your team and hire my offshore consulting firm", ...

Exactly, on the other hand to be certain it's possible to write again or directly call. Sometimes it will be a clear rejection, other times it becomes an invitation to the next step in the process. At least that's my experience, but motivation and thinking this is a good fit is necessary though

Yeah, I try to be good to even the cold applications. But, definitely if I've proceeded to even a phone screen, I'll personally followup with a rejection.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by tofflos » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

Does overtime count towards the total? ;-)

Let’s say an applicant had put in triple overtime for four years would that count as twelve years of experience?

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by Ensorceled » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

MandieD wrote: post #190

Ensorceled wrote: post #152

I attended a testing conference in 1990 (might have been 91) where John Ousterhout gave a talk on Tcl and Expect. His opening slide was on how Tcl "had arrived" and showed a job posting looking for 5 years of Tcl experience, to which he quiped, "in 2 more years, I'll be the only one qualified for the job" I'm sure Gosling, Stroustrup, etc. have all been in the position to make similar jokes.

I was in a CS class with Paul Gosling at Johns Hopkins circa 2000, and the professor read out a particularly egregious example, finishing with “and maybe Mr. Gosling's father would qualify for this entry-level position...” (By the way, he never went on about who his father was, at least not that I heard, though occasionally wore Java logo stuff, because who wouldn’t...)

I managed to snag one of the Java One t-shirts that Gosling used to illustrate and throw into the crowd.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by koheripbal » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:43 PM UTC

jarym wrote: post #197

vmception wrote: post #183

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its shocking how many people here totally misunderstand the role and daily job of inhouse recruiters they churn out these job requirements daily the person you speak with on the phone wasn't involved with writing it, just correct them and get to the first technical person as soon as possible. this is done at companies of all sizes, whether it is IBM, Google, Uber, Pinterest, as well as expected in non-tech companies.…

I am fairly certain it wasn't the recruiter who put in the experience requirement. My dis-interest wasn't due to the recruiter but to do with whichever manager thought they needed needed more experience than the age of a product - either they are careless or don't care about a persons skillset. Could I have been wrong? Of course. All I said was I was dis-interested, I had better opportunities with people who I unders…

> I am fairly certain it wasn't the recruiter who put in the experience requirement.

Really? Because I've seen them copy/paste job requirements and just spitball the "years exp" number. They're just trying to fill as many roles as possible, and getting IT folks to put together job requirements is time consuming, so they often re-use old requirement and only update the language/tech on it.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by koheripbal » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:44 PM UTC

webmaven wrote: post #182

koheripbal wrote: post #171

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> I was thoroughly dis-interested after that. Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. Recruiting people / HR are just an administrative barrier to get through. Once you speak to the actual team you'd be working with, you can start being more discerning of the quality of the people.

I think it is valid to have a preference for employers that care enough about recruiting to employ good recruiters.

If you have infinite choices and time, sure. ...but if you're looking for the best jobs/pay/environment/company, then those are the only things you should be selecting on.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by monkpit » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #175

dharmab wrote: post #104

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Adults have been using emoticons in casual online conversation for decades. Certainly for most of your lifetime.

But do they put one at the end of every sentence like it was punctuation?

Sometimes :)

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by vsskanth » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 4:51 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #205

vsskanth wrote: post #199

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Lying on immigration related documents is a crime so yeah they can take the letter at face value. Whoever issues the letter assumes liability for what they attest to.

Yeah it's a crime, but what use is it if nobody checks? Do they at least audit a certain % of the applications? Or do they do zero checking whatsoever, and will only use it to tack on more charges when you're already under investigation? eg. questions like "Have you EVER knowingly engaged in activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force?" that appear on US security clearance applications

I understand what you're concerned about. Yeah they randomly audit a certain % labor condition applications by requesting more detailed evidence.

It's not like people don't lie on these forms and get falsified evidence. There are cases of people getting caught, and people who did attest to the falsified evidence have had their green cards revoked and deported.

Kinda like IRS I guess.