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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by blablabla123 »

Ensorceled wrote: post #160
imglorp wrote: post #103

Speaking of dubious recruiting practices, can anyone explain why applicants frequently get ghosted? I mean some companies give zero reply after the workflow system acks receipt of an application. I feel this reflects poorly--in public--on a company's culture. The glossy "work here" page means nothing if there's no follow through in practice. A human may have spent days researching your company and preparing a cover l…

I think you don't properly appreciate how many job applications somebody can get, and just what a large percentage of those are just spam disguised as applications -- "let me recruit for you", "hire me on contract", "I'm in , sponsor me", "fire your team and hire my offshore consulting firm", ...

Exactly, on the other hand to be certain it's possible to write again or directly call. Sometimes it will be a clear rejection, other times it becomes an invitation to the next step in the process. At least that's my experience, but motivation and thinking this is a good fit is necessary though

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by webmaven »

koheripbal wrote: post #171
jarym wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happened to me - got a call from a recruiter who said client needed 10 years. I replied 'I was a teenager back then' to which she said 'so you don't have enough experience?'. I responded 'Well I helped create the thing, it hasn't been around 10 years'. Silence followed, I was thoroughly dis-interested after that.

> I was thoroughly dis-interested after that. Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. Recruiting people / HR are just an administrative barrier to get through. Once you speak to the actual team you'd be working with, you can start being more discerning of the quality of the people.

I think it is valid to have a preference for employers that care enough about recruiting to employ good recruiters.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by vmception »

pcmoney wrote: post #176
koheripbal wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was thoroughly dis-interested after that. Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. Recruiting people / HR are just an administrative barrier to get through. Once you speak to the actual team you'd be working with, you can start being more discerning of the quality of the people.

No, never this. If the hiring manager won’t be your manager or in the same tree, run. If they cant be bothered to read the job description they put out, run. If the technology is critical enough to need previous experience managers should know enough about it to not make this mistake. Hiring is the most important thing managers do. If they suck at that it really doesn’t matter if they are great at other things.

its shocking how many people here totally misunderstand the role and daily job of inhouse recruiters

they churn out these job requirements daily

the person you speak with on the phone wasn't involved with writing it, just correct them and get to the first technical person as soon as possible.

this is done at companies of all sizes, whether it is IBM, Google, Uber, Pinterest, as well as expected in non-tech companies.

you guys are in for a rude awakening if you think this is still an employees market in choosing companies based on the smallest, most irrelevant and nuanced signals of operational efficiency

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by gruez »

janoc wrote: post #150
jasoneckert wrote: post #89

Overstating requisites, or asking for far too many requisites for a particular job and then settling for less has been a widespread practice since for as long as I can remember in technology fields. When I was younger, I never thought of it as a bad thing, since it scared away those who weren't bold enough to apply for the job - ultimately reducing the competition for the jobs that I've applied for. Over the past 3 d…

Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword on the job posting, it tells me one thing - the HR person is incompetent, most likely has no idea what the real needs of the company are and is filling the job advert with meaningless filler, especially since at one point everyone wanted only "rockstar" developers. And if it is a company itself advertising like this, that reeks of the…

>Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword

"full-stack" is a buzzword now? How else would you describe a role where you'll be doing backend and frontend?

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by VLM »

A lot of very young people on HN. From my jaded older perspective this is VERY common when they want no external applicants.

So we can't call it a corporate reorganization for Dilbertian process reasons and we're only transferring one person anyway, so we'll abuse the hire/fire/transfer process and put in hilarious requirements like a decade of experience with javascript react framework or this K8S ad.

Or the bosses nephew intern'd with us and we have been ordered to make sure the nephew and only the nephew get hired full time and his resume hilariously listed he's been "doing computer stuff for more than ten years; also does react framework" and we'll translate that into a minimum of a decade of react experience LOL.

This also shows up in stealth ageism. The last I18N guy doing the Spanish L10N project acted too childish for a professional office causing expensive chaos; OK then the next hire "needs" at least 30 years of experience in Spanish language I18N and L10N projects; really all we wanted was a bilingual translator who was not childish by nature of being at least 30 years old. The world's full of 30-something children but the odds are better than 20-something children. We already decided to hire one of the dev's friends who was 35 so all we need to do is make sure nobody else applies. So this project "needs" someone who's spoken Spanish for 30 years to translate stop and go to pare y siga, LOL. Well L10N always ends up being a lot more than merely translating words but whatever.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by heavyset_go »

imglorp wrote: post #103

Speaking of dubious recruiting practices, can anyone explain why applicants frequently get ghosted? I mean some companies give zero reply after the workflow system acks receipt of an application. I feel this reflects poorly--in public--on a company's culture. The glossy "work here" page means nothing if there's no follow through in practice. A human may have spent days researching your company and preparing a cover l…

> Speaking of dubious recruiting practices, can anyone explain why applicants frequently get ghosted? I mean some companies give zero reply after the workflow system acks receipt of an application.

I've noticed more companies following up with their rejections this year than I did a few years ago. Those that go out of their way to reply get a thank you from me no matter what the outcome is.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by MandieD »

Ensorceled wrote: post #152

I attended a testing conference in 1990 (might have been 91) where John Ousterhout gave a talk on Tcl and Expect. His opening slide was on how Tcl "had arrived" and showed a job posting looking for 5 years of Tcl experience, to which he quiped, "in 2 more years, I'll be the only one qualified for the job" I'm sure Gosling, Stroustrup, etc. have all been in the position to make similar jokes.

I was in a CS class with Paul Gosling at Johns Hopkins circa 2000, and the professor read out a particularly egregious example, finishing with “and maybe Mr. Gosling's father would qualify for this entry-level position...”

(By the way, he never went on about who his father was, at least not that I heard, though occasionally wore Java logo stuff, because who wouldn’t...)

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