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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by vmception »

jarym wrote: post #197
vmception wrote: post #183

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its shocking how many people here totally misunderstand the role and daily job of inhouse recruiters they churn out these job requirements daily the person you speak with on the phone wasn't involved with writing it, just correct them and get to the first technical person as soon as possible. this is done at companies of all sizes, whether it is IBM, Google, Uber, Pinterest, as well as expected in non-tech companies.…

I am fairly certain it wasn't the recruiter who put in the experience requirement. My dis-interest wasn't due to the recruiter but to do with whichever manager thought they needed needed more experience than the age of a product - either they are careless or don't care about a persons skillset. Could I have been wrong? Of course. All I said was I was dis-interested, I had better opportunities with people who I unders…

> I had better opportunities with people who I understood and who understood me.

That's really lucky.

There are a lot of people who don't value my skillset who I thought should, and it isn't clear if people reach out to me because they like something I brought to the world that has caught on now, or if it is a totally random recruitment bot sending transactional messages.

All while the things I was working on over the last decade were not respected at the time I was working on them.

For employment, seems better for me to use variations of my name and more generic experience. Otherwise people just seem to want to have me in the room but not really interested in hiring me, or like they expect a more mythical and profound experience.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by harrisonjackson »

I interned at IBM my 4th year of college. I was hired directly by the team I was working for but still had to submit an application through their external hiring board.

Took 5 tries with my new manager filling it out for me because even he didn't know the requirements. This was an internship that assumed the applicants were in college but still required 4+ years in java and c++ - neither of which I touched the entire time I was there.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by swebs »

VLM wrote: post #188

A lot of very young people on HN. From my jaded older perspective this is VERY common when they want no external applicants. So we can't call it a corporate reorganization for Dilbertian process reasons and we're only transferring one person anyway, so we'll abuse the hire/fire/transfer process and put in hilarious requirements like a decade of experience with javascript react framework or this K8S ad. Or the bosses…

>From my jaded older perspective this is VERY common when they want no external applicants.

Or when they want very external applicants.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by Brian_K_White »

gruez wrote: post #185
janoc wrote: post #150

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Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword on the job posting, it tells me one thing - the HR person is incompetent, most likely has no idea what the real needs of the company are and is filling the job advert with meaningless filler, especially since at one point everyone wanted only "rockstar" developers. And if it is a company itself advertising like this, that reeks of the…

>Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword "full-stack" is a buzzword now? How else would you describe a role where you'll be doing backend and frontend?

It can be both accurate and a buzzword. What is so hard to believe about a buzzword that started out as a merely descriptive term? It's definitely an over-used and mis-used term now. A dog whistle.

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Post by gruez »

vsskanth wrote: post #199
gruez wrote: post #196

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Do they take the letters at face value, or do they do some basic sanity checks to make sure the technology has been around as long as the experience you claimed to have?

Lying on immigration related documents is a crime so yeah they can take the letter at face value. Whoever issues the letter assumes liability for what they attest to.

Yeah it's a crime, but what use is it if nobody checks? Do they at least audit a certain % of the applications? Or do they do zero checking whatsoever, and will only use it to tack on more charges when you're already under investigation? eg. questions like "Have you EVER knowingly engaged in activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force?" that appear on US security clearance applications

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by VLM »

swebs wrote: post #203
VLM wrote: post #188

A lot of very young people on HN. From my jaded older perspective this is VERY common when they want no external applicants. So we can't call it a corporate reorganization for Dilbertian process reasons and we're only transferring one person anyway, so we'll abuse the hire/fire/transfer process and put in hilarious requirements like a decade of experience with javascript react framework or this K8S ad. Or the bosses…

>From my jaded older perspective this is VERY common when they want no external applicants. Or when they want very external applicants.

True, if there's a H1B audit, its much easier a drone to prove to its auditor-drone that there were no local applicants for a job, than to explain the technical details of how there chronologically could not have been any applicants.

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Post by EliRivers »

gruez wrote: post #185
janoc wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword on the job posting, it tells me one thing - the HR person is incompetent, most likely has no idea what the real needs of the company are and is filling the job advert with meaningless filler, especially since at one point everyone wanted only "rockstar" developers. And if it is a company itself advertising like this, that reeks of the…

>Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword "full-stack" is a buzzword now? How else would you describe a role where you'll be doing backend and frontend?

Full-stack always has been a buzzword. It means everything and nothing. I've seen full-stack mean "assembly code to screen pixel", I've seen it mean LAMP, I've seen it mean three or four specific technologies that the candidate is presumably meant to guess are the technologies being used.

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Post by [deleted] »

meddlepal wrote: post #163
YesThatTom2 wrote: post #26

If you are shocked by a job ad like this you haven’t been in the industry very long. In 1995 a recruiter called me saying he has a position for someone with 5 years of Windows NT experience. (WNT shipped officially in 1993) I told him hat if he finds someone, I’d him them myself! I’ve never met a person that owns a time machine! He was very gracious about it.

Maybe they were looking to hire a NT core dev. Cutler started working on NT around 1989 if I recall.

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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by scarface74 »

waheoo wrote: post #200
scarface74 wrote: post #56

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Then don’t do that. I have never tailored my resume to a specific company. As far as cover letter, I haven’t written a cover letter in 25 years. On the hiring side, I’ve never actually paid attention to one and I thought they were kind of quaint.

Cover letters are sometimes requested, you look like a dick if you ignore the request, more so if you copy and paste without atleast a basic find and replace. As for tailoring your cv to the role, I have 15 years of work experience, and I limit my cv to one page so it stands out, interviews are required, and my age doesnt show easily. In the half or so page I have available for work experience examples, I have to sho…

Which company in tech requests cover letters?

My resume is two pages - nothing before 2008 on it.

I only started taking my career seriously in 2008. Since then, I’ve been very focused about which jobs I will target and which technologies I will work on. Both my resume and my job search focus on that. Anything mentioning my C bit twiddling days got removed by 2012. Of course I didn’t mention my stint writing FORTRAN on Stratus VOS mainframes.

2008 - I was an “expert beginner” and I did have to massage my resume to get a mid level C# enterprise Dev job. The next two jobs after that were focused on staying in the “full stack developer role”

2015 - My focus was getting a job where I could lead a project so I focused on the projects that I had led. My resume focused on that for the next two jobs.

2020 - I was focused on getting a job as a “digital transformation consultant”, “enterprise architect”, or a “cloud consultant”. My resume was very targeted toward that. I only applied for one job - Amazon/AWS. By the time I was looking post Covid, every other decently paying consulting job had disappeared. I didn’t have to tailor my resume to AWS - that’s where all of my experience was on that side.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by scaryclam »

dreen wrote: post #64

Isn't the whole X years of experience with kind of silly anyways? You grow as a programmer by exposing yourself to new ideas and ways of doing things, but this pretty much gives you a low number of years in a bunch of stuff, not impressive on a resume.

Silly and in the UK, quite possibly illegal. It can be discriminatory against younger applicants, so you need a really good reason to be asking for x years of experience.
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