Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#121

Post by dehrmann » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:39 AM UTC

harshalizee wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the start of an Exodus of manufacturing away from China. Corporations are constantly under scrutiny with their brand messaging and signaling with respect to various conflicts involving China, Hong Kong and the unrest within the United States. India on the other hand, is a Democratic republic, might help alleviate some issues. If India plays its cards right, they may pave the way for a manufac…

Maybe, but don't forget that Foxconn is Taiwanese, so there could be an idiosyncratic political angle to this, too.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#122

Post by AnthonyMouse » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:41 AM UTC

jerrybee wrote: post #38

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #30

Serious question: Modern manufacturing, especially for things like electronics, is highly automated and increasingly so. That implies you don't need a lot of labor to do it and what you do need is skilled labor anyway. Lower unskilled labor costs don't seem like a huge advantage there. So what's still keeping it in countries like China and India and not e.g. Minnesota, which would yield a PR advantage and lower trans…

Foxconn employs about 1.2 million workers in China. In Shenzhen and Chengdu, a combined Foxconn workforce of 500,000 provides labour for Apple Inc. Daily wage is ~$5 per employee. [ https://www.facing-finance.org/en/database/cases/working-con... ] Napkin math if you were to move 500k workers to the US and paid them $100 a day instead of $5 a day it would cost you $17B a year. Would be interesting to see how labor per…

The main thing those numbers are telling you is that Foxconn is really big.

I think your link is also relying on data which is several years old, this is more recent and listing average hourly wages of $3.60 in China:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/27/chinese-wages-rise-made-in-c...

But that's still less than a third of $100/day.

The real question is whether the required number of employees is off too, which if the numbers are from years ago and the theory that automation is increasing is true then it would be, and then as you say, how that plays out in terms of labor per unit.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#123

Post by pinkfoot » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:42 AM UTC

mchusma wrote: post #2

If I were anyone relying on China right now I would diversify to other countries as fast as possible. Everyone should ask: what if I get cut off tomorrow? And have a strategy for that.

> If I were anyone relying on China right now I would diversify to other countries as fast as possible.

I suspect even more are asking whether they are going to be cut off from American tech.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#124

Post by P6Rs4r » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:44 AM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #78

thewhitetulip wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, you literally are spreading false information and you're literally quoting one thing on one line and contradicting it on the second line. CAA makes it easier for non Muslims. you say 'no it doesn't' and then you literaly cite this: > Provided that any person belonging to Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi or Christian community from Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Pakistan, who entered into India on or before the 31…

> It leaves out MUSLIMS. All those three countries in the context have Islam as their state religion. I would always welcome Muslim refugees in India but what was the point of partition if Muslims are suffering religious oppression in countries that were created as safe heavens for Muslims? Should we undo it? And even recent searches show that minorities (the religions covered under the CAA) are not exactly doing bet…

This is post-facto legitimization of the logic of partition.

Why shouldn't we undo partition (if possible)?

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#125

Post by xuki » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:45 AM UTC

wow_no wrote: post #52

petre wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is kind of ironic after what the US has done to people in Vietnam. But it's similar to what happened in Japan, only Japan was under US occupation, while Vietnam was not.

Apparently Vietnamese really like Americans, I literally can not fathom why. Heard it from Viets too. Time is weird.

Vietnam for the most part stopped the anti-America propaganda in the nineties. Sure, everyone learns about the American war in the history books, but they're also exposed to the huge amount of movies, tv shows and music from America. Vietnam also had a decade long border dispute with China which started with the war of 1979 (funny enough, this is rarely mentioned in school), so hatred of China is common. In recent years Vietnam and China have clashed multiple times on the issues of South China Sea (the Vietnamese call this the "East Sea"). The enemy of my enemy is my friend, that kind of thing.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#126

Post by P6Rs4r » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:48 AM UTC

quantummkv wrote: post #106

jeremysalwen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please become more educated on this issue. Muslims are not a monolithic group, and being a Muslim does not protect you from persecution in Muslim majority countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Shi'ism If the bill was meant to be secular, it could provide asylum for everyone suffering religious persecution, regardless of their religion. It clearly is designed to exclude muslims.

> If the bill was meant to be secular, it could provide asylum for everyone suffering religious persecution, regardless of their religion. It clearly is designed to exclude muslims. Here is the document in it's entirety - http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf . Please point out the relevant sections of the document where it is stated that Muslims will not be allowed to apply for asylum or that Muslims…

If the accelerated asylum process does not apply to Muslims (including Rohingyas and Ahmadiyas), why is that not discriminatory? Why is the plight of a Buddhist in Pakistan more urgent than that of a Rohingya in Myanmar?

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#127

Post by pankajdoharey » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:56 AM UTC

jariel wrote: post #75

pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

Those are not in the 'top 10' things required to support an electronics manufacturing base. Africa is the last place any electronics are going to be made, and it's completely unsuitable to their situation, at least currently. Manufacturing any kind of electronics any scale requires a fair bit of sophistication. There is a lot of know how in putting together lines, knowing what to optimise, managing supply chains. I j…

Thats a generalisations you have to look at specific countries which are developed enough to start now and over a period of time other countries with the right mix of resources would benefit and profit aswell. My guess is countries like Kenya and South Africa are developed enough for starting manufacturing. As far as design and knowledge skill is concerned that can be hired from other countries.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#128

Post by lvbu » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:56 AM UTC

jeremysalwen wrote: post #89

quantummkv wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is blatant disinformation by omitting context. The CAA itself is discriminatory, since it does not apply to muslims > The CAA makes it easier for non-Muslims to claim citizenship You see, first of all it's not the Muslims that are literally fighting[1] for their[2] lives[3] and culture[4][5] from crazed zealots in countries around India. And unlike some other religions, the Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists don't ha…

Please become more educated on this issue. Muslims are not a monolithic group, and being a Muslim does not protect you from persecution in Muslim majority countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Shi'ism If the bill was meant to be secular, it could provide asylum for everyone suffering religious persecution, regardless of their religion. It clearly is designed to exclude muslims.

When India was divided, prime minsters of India and Pakistan [Liaquat–Nehru Pact] agreed on treating their respective minorities well. Without this agreement the minorities[Hindus, Sikhs etc in Pakistan] living in each country could have choose to move to the other[India in this case].

Hence passing CAA is just accepting the fact that Indias neighbors are not treating minorities well as they promised and delivering the promise that was made during independence.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#129

Post by kburman » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:00 AM UTC

pankajdoharey wrote: post #104

rational_indian wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia. Lol! A case of sour grapes?

I am not saying this, 4 Supreme Court judges have said this. RTI has been diluted so you dont get a reply to the anything. Democracy is more than elections.

Source?

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

#130

Post by lvbu » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:01 AM UTC

quantummkv wrote: post #106

jeremysalwen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please become more educated on this issue. Muslims are not a monolithic group, and being a Muslim does not protect you from persecution in Muslim majority countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Shi'ism If the bill was meant to be secular, it could provide asylum for everyone suffering religious persecution, regardless of their religion. It clearly is designed to exclude muslims.

> If the bill was meant to be secular, it could provide asylum for everyone suffering religious persecution, regardless of their religion. It clearly is designed to exclude muslims. Here is the document in it's entirety - http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf . Please point out the relevant sections of the document where it is stated that Muslims will not be allowed to apply for asylum or that Muslims…

Adding to your point

Rohingyas from Myanmar are not similar to Buddhists from Pakistan due to one single reason. Myanmar was not divided from India. Nor has Indian govt made any promise on protection anytime.

Hence India does not have any obligation to people from Myanmar apart from Humanitarian concern. That particular concern is common to all the world. If Europe or US have that concern, I do believe that they can accept Rohigyas similar to how they accepted a large number of Syrians