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Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by jariel »

harshalizee wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the start of an Exodus of manufacturing away from China. Corporations are constantly under scrutiny with their brand messaging and signaling with respect to various conflicts involving China, Hong Kong and the unrest within the United States. India on the other hand, is a Democratic republic, might help alleviate some issues. If India plays its cards right, they may pave the way for a manufac…

There will be no 'exodus of existential consequence'.

But there will be a shift away.

China is producing a level of design and manufacture that nobody can compete with.

Other countries can take on some of the low-end stuff, but there's just a lot they will not be able to do.

China has an educated workforce that also works at very low wages, and a government bent on providing the infrastructure necessary to make it all work.

Huawei is not going to be reproduced in Vietnam for example.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by rational_indian »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #23
harshalizee wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the start of an Exodus of manufacturing away from China. Corporations are constantly under scrutiny with their brand messaging and signaling with respect to various conflicts involving China, Hong Kong and the unrest within the United States. India on the other hand, is a Democratic republic, might help alleviate some issues. If India plays its cards right, they may pave the way for a manufac…

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

> Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

Lol! A case of sour grapes?

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

monocasa wrote: post #69
imnewtohn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is one thing that is holding even India back. In democratic setup it is very difficult to take a long term view particularly when that comes with short term pain - the govt would be out in next election. Africa should learn both from countries like China, Singapore... What do you mean, become autocratic/centralized/...or whatever other word you want to choose. That's a quick one way ticket to getting invaded a…

The US doesn't care if you're autocratic; they've propped up and outright installed plenty of dictators.

You're right, but it's an awfully useful pretense for America to invade you if you're not "democratic"

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by pankajdoharey »

achow wrote: post #62
pankajdoharey wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

> India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia This is first time hearing it. However flawed the elected officials are in India, they do represent the popular sentiments of the population at that time.

Just to illustrate what am talking about, just yesterday a politically well connected gangster who surrendered got encountered, this same gangster has been seen with the top brass politicians in India including the home minister.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/vikas-dubey-caught...

It is suspected that if he were to be questioned entire nexus with top politicians would have been revealed.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by harichinnan »

throay423432 wrote: post #55
pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

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Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

I understand it is 'understood' that India is typically placed higher than Africa in the hierarchy of countries, owing to the success of their emigres. However, in reality, barring these colonial era 'Macaulay's children' (ala ICS officers who swore by the Queen} India and Africa actually have very similar development indicators. Unless, India sorts out its colonized education system, which ultimately is geared more…

They do teach mathematics in India well though. Indian expat population is a small percentage of what's back home. India has close to 1.4 billion population. Indian diaspora in other countries would be much less than 100 million. So that disproves your theory that Indian education is geared towards exporting labor. You might've been blindsided by India IT expats living in West. That came out because of focus on IT education.

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Post by cjsaltlake »

throay423432 wrote: post #55
pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

I understand it is 'understood' that India is typically placed higher than Africa in the hierarchy of countries, owing to the success of their emigres. However, in reality, barring these colonial era 'Macaulay's children' (ala ICS officers who swore by the Queen} India and Africa actually have very similar development indicators. Unless, India sorts out its colonized education system, which ultimately is geared more…

India is a single country, with a relatively well established national identity (obviously not perfect!, but enough for people to work and live in the same area), and a relatively stable government. Most African countries are still in flux in a huge way, and are just barely starting to establish stable national identities after decades of civil war.

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Post by pankajdoharey »

wow_no wrote: post #48
pankajdoharey wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

India has enormous mineral resources

Indias steel production depends on Australian imported Coal, Indias Power production also depends on Imported coal from Australia and neighbourhood countries. India has virtually no Rare earth minerals. Indias has 1μm Semicondictor fab facilities which are good for producing Intel 80386, but nothing above that.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by tesseracted »

throay423432 wrote: post #60
cko wrote: post #45

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As an ethnic Chinese, I have to question that. Is this based on your observations of first and second generation Chinese immigrants in the West? In which case, wouldn't there be selection bias involved?

These sentiments are based on a 'scientific' world average IQ score; India is at 82 while China is at 105. I think most popularly, these were used by the White supremacist, Stephen Molyneux to justify the colonization of both India and Africa; it shouldn't be surprising to see it used in other dick-measurement... ahem 'eugenics' contests.

I'm actually Indian, have no interest in aggrandizing one group over another, don't know who Stephen Molyneux is, and don't care about white supremacy & colonialism or think it relevant to my point that intelligence and organized behavior is more apparent in China than it is in Africa. Many people who, admittedly after a lot of pretense and equivocation, agree that they care about what is effectively intelligence in hiring engineers are too arrogant to see that working in a factory and making sure the water mains are working also require thoughtful competence.

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Post by jeremysalwen »

quantummkv wrote: post #54
d3nj4l wrote: post #31

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This is blatant disinformation by omitting context. The CAA itself is discriminatory, since it does not apply to muslims, but in the context of the National Register of Citizens ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens ) it becomes even more sinister. The NRC requires people to prove their citizenship through documentation, which is very difficult for large parts of India's population, who might…

> This is blatant disinformation by omitting context. The CAA itself is discriminatory, since it does not apply to muslims > The CAA makes it easier for non-Muslims to claim citizenship You see, first of all it's not the Muslims that are literally fighting[1] for their[2] lives[3] and culture[4][5] from crazed zealots in countries around India. And unlike some other religions, the Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists don't ha…

Please become more educated on this issue. Muslims are not a monolithic group, and being a Muslim does not protect you from persecution in Muslim majority countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Shi'ism

If the bill was meant to be secular, it could provide asylum for everyone suffering religious persecution, regardless of their religion. It clearly is designed to exclude muslims.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by sbmthakur »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #23
harshalizee wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the start of an Exodus of manufacturing away from China. Corporations are constantly under scrutiny with their brand messaging and signaling with respect to various conflicts involving China, Hong Kong and the unrest within the United States. India on the other hand, is a Democratic republic, might help alleviate some issues. If India plays its cards right, they may pave the way for a manufac…

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

> Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

Could you share how did you gauge that? Different leaders (from different parties) have led India since Putin took Russia's helm: Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh and Narendra Modi

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