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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by gizmo »

briefcomment wrote: post #80
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish people (not you) would stop pushing the idea that death is the only consequence of COVID. Three different NFL players have said their lungs still aren't recovered and they're still getting winded months after having COVID. These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world. Plenty of stories of blood clotting leading to many other issues in the general population duri…

Aren't we all going to catch this sooner or later, especially with recent reports that it spreads 30 feet in the air through just breathing [1]? So while there are lasting effects on some who are infected, the vast majority probably handle it totally fine, there are probably more people who have had it than we previously thought, especially considering we're changing our assumptions on how contagious it is, and we're…

Of course covid19 can spread through the air because viral droplets can be tiny. But infection-at-a-distance has not been demonstrated. The null hypothesis should continue to be that infection risk is proportional to viral exposure and time. An infected person can shed billions of viral particles per day, and yet, they don't infect that many people even if they're careless. The human immune system is remarkably good and it won't get overwhelmed when exposed to only a tiny amount of viral mass. The WHO hasn't accepted the conclusions from this paper because it doesn't provide evidence that simply exhaling produces sufficient viral mass to cause infection at a distance.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by sriram_malhar »

petre wrote: post #101
abraxas wrote: post #42

I hope he doesn’t make it. The death of this person is likely to be a net positive for the health of the Amazon and thus the planet. I don’t usually wish badly upon people. This is one of the few cases where I do.

He still doesn't deserve to die. There are other more constructive ways to turn it into a net positive like not re-elect him.

I agree. I want him to live.

But ... I want his lungs completely dependent on a ventilator, and him with a TV repeatedly running his speeches downplaying covid, interspersed with medical folks saying otherwise. I want this scene televised to all those who took his side.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

mindslight wrote: post #118
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Trump actually is perfectly aware of the Covid risks, he is not that stupid. He really just panders to increasingly smaller radical public (and thaw would be his demise), while the moderate republicans kinda more aligned with what Pence does and says. Trump made a wrong bet, and he is going to lose.

I would say Trump is that stupid, either due to some mental degeneration or perhaps simply never being told "no" in his life. Covid should have made for a shoe-in second term. Give televised speeches reassuring and leading through a tough time, act on the advice of public health experts, and deflect the economic damage as doing the best we can. The wartime president boost. I think he could have even switched to this…

If he was "that" stupid and thought it is just flu he would never close borders with China, he'd never sign that money stimulus bill, he'd never install Covid task force; he would never have done so many things - so he clearly understood that Covid is not flu. But politically agree - he made a huge mistake.

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Post by clairity »

kick wrote: post #45

There's no possible way this is going to lead to a good discussion when any sensible person will say "Hope he dies" or similar, which is unfortunate because it's such an interesting thing. My only thought that has much public value is that the timing of the US President's sudden and strange willingness to wear a mask after mocking them for so long looks suspicious under this light.

there's almost no intellectual curiosity and open-mindedness exhibited in any of these covid-related threads, so they should be flagged according to the site guidelines.

fear manifests irrationally when control is beyond reach, including wishing the death of someone they don't know other than via press snippets (which is not to say bolsonaro is a saint, but most of us in the US know next to nothing about him except "bad").

driven by fear and the resultant impulse to control, a priori arguments are made for all sorts of interventions, because it's so hard to accept that the most effective, balanced measure is simply to distance a bit from the less-acquainted, and when we can't, wear a mask.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by clairity »

mercer wrote: post #116
jayrot wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump gets tested every day. Every person he is in contact with is testing before being given an audience. He knows how it works but it seems like he just DGAF about everyone else.

Yeah, Trump strikes me as the kind of person who would protect himself diligently regardless of what his public stance might be. I might be wrong about this, but isn't he also known to be somewhat of a 'clean freak'?

yes, trump's moral compass only points one way, and that's toward himself.

it's dismaying that supporters fervently listen to what he says, not what he does.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

gizmo wrote: post #70
midrus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

We didn't lock down for the Hong Kong flu or similar pandemics, because the damage caused by a lockdown is immense. Health damage caused by delayed cancer screenings and organ transplants. Psychological damage caused by lockdown and unemployment. Unbelievable economic damage. How to respond to a pandemic is a trade-off. People die in traffic accidents every day. Do we set a nation-wide speed limit of 5 MPH? No. Of co…

Hong Kong flu was significantly less deadly than Covid in United states, perhaps 3 to 10 times. NYC death rate is at least .2% which would translate to 600 000 death across the US, and that is a very rough estimate. Even more importantly without lockdowns you'd get even worse clusterhell in the hospitals, which would have to do triage between neverneding stream of Covid patients and "normal" patients, who need an urgent surgery, and that would lead to enormous death rate rise so your argument is backwards actually.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by kick »

clairity wrote: post #125
kick wrote: post #45

There's no possible way this is going to lead to a good discussion when any sensible person will say "Hope he dies" or similar, which is unfortunate because it's such an interesting thing. My only thought that has much public value is that the timing of the US President's sudden and strange willingness to wear a mask after mocking them for so long looks suspicious under this light.

there's almost no intellectual curiosity and open-mindedness exhibited in any of these covid-related threads, so they should be flagged according to the site guidelines. fear manifests irrationally when control is beyond reach, including wishing the death of someone they don't know other than via press snippets (which is not to say bolsonaro is a saint, but most of us in the US know next to nothing about him except "…

fear manifests irrationally when control is beyond reach, including wishing the death of someone they don't know other than via press snippets (which is not to say bolsonaro is a saint, but most of us in the US know next to nothing about him except "bad").

This is a terrible viewpoint: it's not difficult at all to find out Bolsonaro's viewpoints and actions. We don't live in the 1950s any longer: politicians broadcast their every move over the network, and through every light you can look at him, Bolsonaro has been terrible for his country; under any sensible light, he's also a terrible human being. Just look at the things he's said, you don't need to restrict what you know to "press snippets."

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by mcv »

mindslight wrote: post #118
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Trump actually is perfectly aware of the Covid risks, he is not that stupid. He really just panders to increasingly smaller radical public (and thaw would be his demise), while the moderate republicans kinda more aligned with what Pence does and says. Trump made a wrong bet, and he is going to lose.

I would say Trump is that stupid, either due to some mental degeneration or perhaps simply never being told "no" in his life. Covid should have made for a shoe-in second term. Give televised speeches reassuring and leading through a tough time, act on the advice of public health experts, and deflect the economic damage as doing the best we can. The wartime president boost. I think he could have even switched to this…

Trump is stupid, but he is also a germophobe. Bolsonaro is stupid and not a germophobe. Putin, of course, is neither, but quite happy to see the rest of the world in chaos.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

mcv wrote: post #129
mindslight wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say Trump is that stupid, either due to some mental degeneration or perhaps simply never being told "no" in his life. Covid should have made for a shoe-in second term. Give televised speeches reassuring and leading through a tough time, act on the advice of public health experts, and deflect the economic damage as doing the best we can. The wartime president boost. I think he could have even switched to this…

Trump is stupid, but he is also a germophobe. Bolsonaro is stupid and not a germophobe. Putin, of course, is neither, but quite happy to see the rest of the world in chaos.

Putin has become one, anecdotally.
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