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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by brink » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

midrus wrote: post #9

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

Of course they do. So advise the 1% that's at risk to quarantine until we get a vaccine.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by thijsvandien » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

It isn't a binary kind of thing. You could survive with all sorts of long term issues. And here's the real "fun": nobody really knows what they are. Hence, recovering is rather relative.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by cbg0 » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

midrus wrote: post #9

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

It's all just statistics until your loved ones are in the ICU because of covid.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by Pxtl » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Because the number of people with "other conditions" is massive.

Grab any family tree and shake it and somebody immunocompromised or asthmatic or with COPD or heart disease or whatever will fall out.

Saying "oh, only people who aren't like me are at risk" is essentially what we're talking about when we talk about "conditions".

It's practically narcissism.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by matz1 » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

midrus wrote: post #9

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

you can't expect 0% death, its unrealistic.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by BoiledCabbage » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

I really wish people (not you) would stop pushing the idea that death is the only consequence of COVID. Three different NFL players have said their lungs still aren't recovered and they're still getting winded months after having COVID. These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world.

Plenty of stories of blood clotting leading to many other issues in the general population during and past recovery. We don't know the consequences of this virus. No it's not a death sentence - but it's also not a minor flu.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by znpy » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

The hysteria is about hospital saturation.

People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity).

So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available.

Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by braythwayt » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Are you an epidemiologist? Physician specializing in blood and/or respiratory diseases?

Failing that, have you scoured the available literature with a completely open mind, and can summarize the arguments ranging from taking this incredibly seriously to blowing it off as just a "flu?"

Or have you seen one or two essays that seem persuasive, and quote the studies that happen to support the argument the author's wish to make? And are now passing that cherry-picked information around as if no other information exists?

Science is not a "narrative," and describing it as such makes me deeply suspicious that you do not take this subject seriously. You pushing a point of view that is not the consensus amongst people who actually consider all of the data, and supporting it with one essay that happens to say what you want to hear... That is a narrative.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by dmos62 » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

To add to what the other commentor said, it's often overlooked that the outcomes are more complicated than life-or-death. There are more cases of people ending up permanently crippled by organ damage than dieing.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by anonms-coward » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

What would happen if Bolsanaro doesn't survive? How does succession works in Brazil. Is the next person in line more or less rational than Bolsanaro. Also can it end up leading Brazil further to the right due to sympathy votes? Or will it make people realise his incompetence if something happens to him.