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Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by sulam »

asdfman123 wrote: post #110
emosenkis wrote: post #25

As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

As a guy who's 1/8th Jewish, I still don't feel comfortable clicking on that URL at work for fear someone might get the wrong idea on what it's about.

I'm confused, is there a usage of the word 'kosher' that isn't safe at work? Are you worried that they may think you're Jewish and discriminate against you?

p.s. You may know this, but from the religious POV, you are either Jewish or not, there's no 1/8th Jewish. If your mother was Jewish, you are too, all the way up your family tree. Either that or if you converted. :)

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by LegitShady »

reallydontask wrote: post #105
WJW wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are all fair questions, but they are about axioms and whether you should accept them or not. I was trying to describe the thought process of someone who has already accepted the axioms as set out in the old testament and is now trying to interpret the rules for modern times in an internally consistent way.

that's fair enough but say that we accept that the rules do come from god and he is all knowing, etc ..., the second question still stands and is the gist of the comedian's jibe How do we know that to the letter vs to the spirit following is the right course of action for the follower of the religion?

>letter vs to the spirit

What is the inherent spirit of the law in only eating animals that chew their cud and have split hoofs? Or fish that only have scales and fins? The inherent spirit of not wearing linen and wool together?

There are plenty of places where religious jews go beyond what the law says because rabbis have deemed it important. The prohibition of not eating meat and milk together come from "not eating a kid in its mother's milk" but rabbis said it applies to all meat and all milk.

I'm not sure how legitimate it is to think you know or can determine the spirit of religious laws you don't know the details of.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by kevinschumacher »

sulam wrote: post #151
asdfman123 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a guy who's 1/8th Jewish, I still don't feel comfortable clicking on that URL at work for fear someone might get the wrong idea on what it's about.

I'm confused, is there a usage of the word 'kosher' that isn't safe at work? Are you worried that they may think you're Jewish and discriminate against you? p.s. You may know this, but from the religious POV, you are either Jewish or not, there's no 1/8th Jewish. If your mother was Jewish, you are too, all the way up your family tree. Either that or if you converted. :)

probably referring to the domain name...

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by LegitShady »

082349872349872 wrote: post #93
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #40

Unless a shabbat goy is employed (who would have to be human) I don’t think you can have a compliant search engine. The machine can work at any point of the week but a jew cannot operate it on shabbat. A non jew could, but not acting on a direct command. The rules are quite watertight. Siri and co. are a no-go and there are no obvious ways to adapt smart assistants that would restore functionality. Anything that’s no…

Thinking of elevators which stop at every floor on shabbat, maybe the search engine ought to run on a timeout, returning results for all the "most common searches" (such as the auto-fill suggestions for each letter?) on some interleaved schedule. (I'm not concerned with electricity here so much as with "בורר", selection.)

if search engines knew what you wanted to look at before you looked at them they wouldn't be necessary.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by freedrock87 »

throwaway744678 wrote: post #14

I don't get it: the potential user has to use some kind of computer/smartphone/non-kosher device to make use of this server. Not to mention all the network infrastructure in-between! Is there a rabbi here to enlighten us?

According to the bible you or possessions or servants aren't allowed to "work" on the Sabbath (On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.)

Rabbinic Judaism expanded this to the Jews doing "work" for you. Since this server is hosted in Israel and there are Jews who work for electric company on Sabbath. In addition the he doesn't want the server to work so he has it "work" only on a day when there isn't Sabbath anywhere in world.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by LegitShady »

masklinn wrote: post #135
kenrose wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Sabbath observing Jews, “work” is defined as a certain set of 39 (?) activities that are defined in the bible and relating to building the “Mishkan”. Generations of Talmudic rabbis then added new interpretations and requirements on these rules to adapt for new technology. eg, the prohibition against using electricity is because it relates to igniting a spark, which is one of the 39 prohibited activities (Or “mala…

> Something breaks, fix it? No I assume that's only if not urgent? e.g. pipe blows up or rock hits a window for whatever reason, you can at least effect basic repairs if not immediately call the tradie?

>you can at least effect basic repairs if not immediately call the tradie

You're not supposed to do either on shabbat unless its life or death.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by LegitShady »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #150
llimos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The major theme is that we are not allowed to do anything constructive/productive. Just as God stopped creating the world on the seventh day, we stop our part of making the world. This is broken out into fine detail in the sources. There are 39 categories of work listed, covering agriculture, food production and cooking, textile production, building, and a few more. When electricity came along there was a big debate…

What about games?

provided they don't cause you to violate the 39 melachot or any of the rabbinic extensions of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39_Melachot

It's not hard to violate them though. Carry something in public? nope. Use electricity/fire? No. etc etc

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by ivraatiems »

itqwertz wrote: post #146
MH15 wrote: post #100

The tongue-in-cheek humor of this project aside, it returns an astoundingly antisemitic search result on the home page. See https://wethoughttheywerewhite.tumblr.com/ , a blog dedicated to blaming the Jewish people for the international slave trade. It's awful .

There are a lot of wild accusations on that website. It would be interesting to see some sources or references for this information.

What sort of sources or references for the statement from the homepage:

> We are all simply pawns to the Jews who have no other use for us beyond being a source of profit to them and a weapon that can be used to help destroy whites, who they see as their sworn enemies, by encouraging us to breed with them until there are no longer any whites left.

or, from "Jews & the Civil Rights Movement":

> Despite the widespread public belief that the Civil Rights Movement was organized by African-Americans, the reality is that it was almost entirely masterminded by Jews as part of their agenda to undermine the stability of American society by using blacks as a wedge to divide and conquer the white majority establishment.

would you consider suitable?

Are you aware that the "Jew as international manipulator of all other nations" trope is a conspiracy theory dating back to Tsarist Russia and, after that, Nazi Germany, where it was used to justify the murder of more than 6 million people?[1][2]

These aren't "wild accusations" so much as anti-Semitic lies responsible for centuries of death.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of...

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by freedrock87 »

masklinn wrote: post #135
kenrose wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Sabbath observing Jews, “work” is defined as a certain set of 39 (?) activities that are defined in the bible and relating to building the “Mishkan”. Generations of Talmudic rabbis then added new interpretations and requirements on these rules to adapt for new technology. eg, the prohibition against using electricity is because it relates to igniting a spark, which is one of the 39 prohibited activities (Or “mala…

> Something breaks, fix it? No I assume that's only if not urgent? e.g. pipe blows up or rock hits a window for whatever reason, you can at least effect basic repairs if not immediately call the tradie?

In strict orthodox Judiasm nope.

The only time you can break the Sabbath is if it is "pikuach nefesh" (life threatening if not done)

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by sulam »

masklinn wrote: post #134
cameron_b wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did my degree in Photography and spent money I don't care to sum up at that store both online and in person the few times I was in the City. I always found their stance to be one of integrity instead of self-righteousness. They are situated in a little enclave - see HN articles about the Eruv, etc. - and are quite genuine and not exclusive to their Jewishness, but simply have a community and a point of view. The no…

> The no-shabbat-order-processing feels less like "we don't make the machines make money for us" than it feels like "Look, you can shop online, but we're not gonna load it and ship it until we get back from our families." That interpretation doesn't make much sense to me. Unless there's a human actually validating each order individually right as you checkout, you could just have a note saying there won't be any ship…

There are orthodox interpretations that essentially mean you not only won't do work on Shabbat, you won't cause work to be done on your behalf.

The tradition of the Shabbat goy is interesting here, and suffice to say there are lots of gray area room for interpretation.

There's a reason so many Jews go into law. :)

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