I don't think it's "whataboutism" to question the validity of a source as cartoonishly biased as the victims of communism foundation. These are the people that claim every covid death is a victim of communism.
China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says
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#82Seriously, suppression of birth? According the exact same logic used by this ZENZ guy, China's majority group (Han) has been subjected to such "genocide" for decades. As a result of such "suppression", only 400 million Han Chinese were born in the last 30 years rather than the estimated 800+ million.
The intent matters. Suppression of birth among Han Chinese was intended to limit population growth. Locking up 1.5 million Uyghurs in concentration camps, sterilizing them, and harvesting their organs is done with quite a different intent.
The UN guidelines that Zenz is following:
> In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
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#83It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.
The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.
> China desperately needs more babies.
No it doesn't. Countries needs to stop depending on more people and pushing the demographic challenges to the next generation.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it just me or does this happen for every article about anything China-related?
Sssh, you're getting close to noticing that HN, a popular anonymous message board, has become the clear target of professional propagandists. You'll get banned for that. The mods are determined to never see this particular elephant in the room.
I don't think that the mods deny the astroturfing happening. They're actively looking out for and removing it. I think it's more that they don't want arguments to become polluted with accusations of astroturfing against specific users.
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#85"I have long argued that the atrocity in the region is a cultural genocide, not a literal genocide" Headline is extremely misleading.
> The reason why now this has changed - we do need to probably call it a genocide - is quite simply because the evidence now, for the first time, very specifically meets one of the five criteria set forth by the United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948, which specifically says the suppression of birth
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation counts all COVID-19 deaths worldwide as victims of communism, in case anyone was wondering how credible this organisation is.
Source?
Their website.
https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/voc-news/2020/4/5/blame-t...
https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/press-releases/2020/4/10/...
> While the pandemic’s final human toll is still unknown, those who have perished from the outbreak must be included in the global count of 100 million deaths at the hands of Communism.
Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says
#87I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
Just for a moment reflect on this fact: for almost all human beings on this planet, the goal of life continues to revolve around gaining wealth, recognition and power. By the time one realizes the worthlessness of these goals, it's time for him to leave. But as long as these remain the primary goals of our lives, we can't truly be compassionate toward the needs/plight of others and at every opportune moment, we'll tr…
"for almost all human beings on this planet, the goal of life continues to revolve around gaining wealth, recognition and power."
This is a really broad and very specific statement. Genuinely curious what you base this on.
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#88I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
The fallacy is assuming the nature of civilizations has changed or will continue to get better over time. Human nature is fundamentally warlike, with the subjugation of those tribes deemed lesser, or just in the way of some natural resource. While there is cooperation within individuals in the tribe, history has shown that tribes will conquer rather than cooperate with other tribes given the chance.
This is just the present manifestation of human nature. I assume, just as genocides and war has occurred in the past, they will continue to occur in the present and future, and we will never achieve world peace until human nature itself is changed, perhaps through some future genetic engineering that would make everyone exceedingly docile.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK was 1/6. Back when we had a financial services sector, before we brucked it all up for blue passports. Strange how we ever punched that high. We only have 1/23 the people, and barely make anything ourselves these days.
Gunships + British Raj. Would have lasted longer too if the UK didn't start the road to bankruptcy by entering WW1.
Britain joined to stop Wilhelm making a blue water navy that could rival the royal navy. I don't think it's a given British hegemony would have lasted as long without joining ww1.
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#90https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz ... the china expert
> Zenz co-authored the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation which links modern trends, including gender equality, homosexuality and bans on corporal punishment, to the power of the Antichrist.
The more I look at it, history is one ethnic group against the other. The winners do what they want, the weak suffer as prisoners of war.