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China will just keep on killing their Uighurs and companies will keep doing business there. There's perks, too, I bet CEOs can get organs if they need them, CHEAP, these days, if they bring manufacturing into China.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
"Adrian Zenz is a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation." Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation? Ah ok. Just as there is no prejudice or bias of any kind slipping into your scientific research ...
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
Even China itself, as bad as it is, is enormously improved from the genocidal days of Mao.
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Sssh, you're getting close to noticing that HN, a popular anonymous message board, has become the clear target of professional propagandists. You'll get banned for that. The mods are determined to never see this particular elephant in the room.
> clear target Which means you have clear evidence you can share with everyone, right?
Based on the documented propaganda efforts of Russia and China, and the popularity of HN, application of Occam's razor strongly suggests HN will be a target. A cursory reading of this thread supports this.
But you can keep pretending it's not happening. I don't much care. It's amusing to watch propagandists string the HN crowd along.
"Adrian Zenz is a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation." Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation? Ah ok. Just as there is no prejudice or bias of any kind slipping into your scientific research ...
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation counts all COVID-19 deaths worldwide as victims of communism, in case anyone was wondering how credible this organisation is.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
This kind of communication is based on narrative. The ultimate problem is that when you have a conflict of evidence and narrative, you have people that want to keep theirs. So instead of changing the narrative, they change the evidence.
Find a way to be able to change your own narrative, and survive, given conflicting evidence, and you may be able to help change the world.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
"Adrian Zenz is a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation." Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation? Ah ok. Just as there is no prejudice or bias of any kind slipping into your scientific research ...
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I may be mistaken but Han Chinese weren't forced to undergo sterilization. If you had a second child, you were fined and your child wouldn't be recognized as a Chinese citizen. Still horrible though.
Sterilization was standard procedure for Han Chinese women for decades: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/world/asia/after-one-chil...
> The state regularly subjects minority women to pregnancy checks, and forces intrauterine devices, sterilization and even abortion on hundreds of thousands, the interviews and data show. Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang.
> But while equal on paper, in practice Han Chinese are largely spared the abortions, sterilizations, IUD insertions and detentions for having too many children that are forced on Xinjiang’s other ethnicities, interviews and data show. Some rural Muslims, like Omirzakh, are punished even for having the three children allowed by the law
> Leaked data obtained and corroborated by the AP showed that of 484 camp detainees listed in Karakax county in Xinjiang, 149 were there for having too many children - the most common reason for holding them. Time in a camp — what the government calls “education and training” — for parents with too many children is written policy in at least three counties, notices found by Zenz confirmed
> Seven former detainees told the AP that they were force-fed birth control pills or injected with fluids, often with no explanation. Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods. After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile