Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 173 posts

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#151

Post by kaybe »

gruez wrote: post #107
VBprogrammer wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only on paper. Let's face it if the pilots weren't flying intercepts they'd need to be flying training missions. Anyway, the sunk cost of buying, maintaining and operating fighter jets is so high that the marginal cost of a mission is a bit of a wash.

>Let's face it if the pilots weren't flying intercepts they'd need to be flying training missions Is this really the case? Are there training missions 24/7? If not, does flying an intercept cause a future training mission to be canceled?

At least in Germany they tend to do a lunch break which is great if you want to use their airspace to test some research equipment. (You don't get told their schedule, only whether it's in use, but if it is it usually works out to sit on the runway with your plane at ~13h and wait for them to take the break.)

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#152

Post by AdrianB1 »

ohlookabird wrote: post #86
AdrianB1 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same situation in other places, even in Europe. In Romania not only that in small cities this is the only way to get a permit, even if you drive well, but we have people that cannot read but having a driver license. Corruption is a "well known secret" in every country in the world.

But how does this work in practice? I don't think I ever had to bribe someone. Is it like "Here these $5 are for you!" or you just forget $5 on the dashboard? I can't really picture these situations.

It is different case by case or country by country, the point was that corruption exists in any country; not the same corruption, but it is there. In US you call it lobby or pork barrel, in other countries it's the bribe you need to pay everywhere to get anything.

For example, in Bulgaria I rented a police car with 2 real policemen to drive me out of a town where I got lost and I was driving on the wrong way. Not only I did not got a fine, but for something like $5 I got them to drive in front of me, wrong way, then another few kilometers to the city limits. In the same country any speed ticket was voided for $5, maybe $10 if the speed was outrageous.In Romania until recently it used to be mandatory to bribe any surgeon to get a surgery, it still happens on a lower volume even today. If you want a driver permit you talk to an instructor, they will arrange it for you - just give the money to the instructor and get the exams passed. Border crossing - same, bus drivers were collecting $5 from each passenger to bribe customs officials, they were dealing with the actual bribery.

The situation improved a bit in some countries, or just got a lot more expensive. You can still bribe policemen in Eastern Europe, but it is not working with $5 anymore, it takes 20 or 50. But we had a minister of agriculture arrested and convicted for getting bribed with sausages and booze, just to give an example of how weird the bribery can be.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#153

Post by qtplatypus »

Bobbcatt wrote: post #113
Jdam wrote: post #60

If this doesn't apply to the UK as well, it is not enough. I would like to see a flyover ban as well, as PIA flies through the EU to the UK. I'm following the aviation industry closely and there are plenty of reports every now and then where PIA flights don't respond on radio anymore, triggering fighter intercepts. It is assumed that those pilots are oftentimes either sleeping or just don't bother because of their eg…

>I don't want to have PIA planes crashing into others or falling on my head. Even with sleeping pilots, you still are order of magnitude more likely to die by a car than by a plane.

And it’s regulatory actions like this that ensure that air travel is safe.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#154

Post by rasz »

pycbr1 wrote: post #34
vinay427 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the OP was referring to Pakistan. More problematic in this respect are the UN accords that allow people from virtually any country to drive while visiting any other country, so you can have people from poorly licensed countries driving in a place where they're unfamiliar with the road system, language, etc. The EU/EEA reciprocity is due to EU regulations, not the assumption that every EU country has better dr…

I was indeed referring to Pakistan. A decade or so ago, you had to bribe a person or two in order to get your license at the dmv, and they made the actual driving test next to impossible to pass, something like "Make a reverse L shape without hitting any cones" the L being a very tight fit. If you didn't have a DL, you'd pay a bribe every time you were pulled over, although the bribes would be to the tune of $1, alth…

>"Make a reverse L shape without hitting any cones"

You mean standard test in all of EU?

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#155

Post by noir_lord »

trhway wrote: post #137
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well cosequences don't go away. Russia unified into a single state only because of the Mongoles, so you can blame Communism and cold war on them.

Russia was founded by Vikings. At about the same time Britain was massively raided and invaded by Vikings, and, across the Channel, Normandy (where Wilhelm the Conqueror is coming from) was established by Vikings. Those Vikings may have known each other or even been relatives. So, now we know whom to blame for the major part of the more than millennium of European history afterwards. Though Viking age was clearly res…

I mean it's really Ugg's fault for hitting Ogg with that rock in 50,000BC when you get down to it.

Good examples though, worth noting that some roman road paths are still used in the UK (our new roads just went over the top) - the past is a fascinating land.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#156

Post by nutrifacs »

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #2

good commentary on blancolirio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62sSwC4t_g as usual

I have been reading hackernews for a number of years, but I have created an account just to reply to this comment

blancolirio is not a good, nor trust worthy, source.

Nearly every word from this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mampv8DdHlU - is, some would argue, stolen, word for word, from an article by The Air Current

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#157

Post by Bobbcatt »

iso1210 wrote: post #150
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the real danger is to passengers of the plane. It is very rare for a plane crash to kill anyone on the ground. Noth of earth surface is not cities, its water/farmland/etc

More common than you'd think as most crashes are on takeoff or landing, which tend to be in more built up areas.

Pilots are definitely not sleeping on landing.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#158

Post by t0mas88 »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #115
t0mas88 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how ATC works. The tower controller is responsible for the runway environment. The only reason they can tell a plane to go around is if there is a traffic conflict or the runway is not available, and they're supposed to give the pilots a reason for the go around instruction. A go around for an unstable approach is 100% the decision of the pilots, because they have the complete picture. They also know the s…

One of the truly astonishing parts of this report is that the pilots do not actually appear to have been in direct contact with the tower controller at any point during the initial, gear-up landing. If you read the report, it seems they were in contact with the approach controller who contacted the tower for landing clearance on their behalf.

If the controller thought they were having an emergency (which I guess he did based on the strange approach and all the warning sounds he heard on the radios) it's not that uncommon to hold on to them. Happens because it reduces crew workload if he's not telling them a new frequency.

Tower and approach have a button to talk directly in each other's headsets, so it's easy for approach to give you a landing clearance on behalf of the tower. Or the other way around, tower could get you radar instructions from approach in case you have a problem right after take off and want to return immediately.

But in this case it was a very bad decision to do that.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#159

Post by dang »

panini_tech wrote: post #87
Jdam wrote: post #60

If this doesn't apply to the UK as well, it is not enough. I would like to see a flyover ban as well, as PIA flies through the EU to the UK. I'm following the aviation industry closely and there are plenty of reports every now and then where PIA flights don't respond on radio anymore, triggering fighter intercepts. It is assumed that those pilots are oftentimes either sleeping or just don't bother because of their eg…

Pakistan is a monster created by British..call it chickens coming home to roost

We've banned this account for repeatedly using HN for nationalistic flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

#160

Post by dang »

godsplan1 wrote: post #25

> On Jun 24th 2020: While introducing the preliminary report, Pakistan's Aviation Minister stated, that both flight crew and ATC failed to follow procedures, the pilots discussed Coronavirus and were not focussed on their piloting tasks, when ATC advised about altitude the crew replied they would manage it and again discussed Coronavirus. The crew was overconfident and not focussed. The captain's last three words wer…

We've banned this account for trolling. Religious flamewar is not welcome here. Doing this will eventually get your main account banned as well, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Post reply on HN