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EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by godsplan1 »

netsharc wrote: post #29
godsplan1 wrote: post #25

> On Jun 24th 2020: While introducing the preliminary report, Pakistan's Aviation Minister stated, that both flight crew and ATC failed to follow procedures, the pilots discussed Coronavirus and were not focussed on their piloting tasks, when ATC advised about altitude the crew replied they would manage it and again discussed Coronavirus. The crew was overconfident and not focussed. The captain's last three words wer…

I get the impression the last sentence is written (and you copy-pasted) with a bit of sneer towards their religion; in case it is, how many videos have we seen of Americans watching disaster unfolding and repeatedly saying "Ehmagerd, ehmagerd, ehmagerd"? Your account is 2 minutes older than this post... do we need to worry?

I am not sure where is this coming from ... I reported the statement as it is ..

the thing to worry about is this : The crew was overconfident and not focussed.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by brewmarche »

culturestate wrote: post #21
Svip wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state. Denmark is apparently far more willing to let it slide, and anyone with a US driving licence can get it converted to a Danish one with just a doctor's approval. Although, in Denmark, their US licence is only valid for a month. But you don't have to retake the test. I am frankly a bit puzzled by this decision.

> Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state. I always wonder about the situations that inspired regulations like these and exactly how they believe they're solving whatever that problem was. Was there a rash of accidents involving drivers from Texas? Did someone from Delaware blow the German test so badly that they soured the state's reputation forever? Is this somehow American Top Gear's fa…

The source of this table is probably a legal review of the different exam requirements rather than accident rates and reputation.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by netsharc »

culturestate wrote: post #21
Svip wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state. Denmark is apparently far more willing to let it slide, and anyone with a US driving licence can get it converted to a Danish one with just a doctor's approval. Although, in Denmark, their US licence is only valid for a month. But you don't have to retake the test. I am frankly a bit puzzled by this decision.

> Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state. I always wonder about the situations that inspired regulations like these and exactly how they believe they're solving whatever that problem was. Was there a rash of accidents involving drivers from Texas? Did someone from Delaware blow the German test so badly that they soured the state's reputation forever? Is this somehow American Top Gear's fa…

Sadly AFAIK it's just a bilateral contract thing. So if Virginia said "European licences can be converted automatically/you can drive here with them", Germany will also treat Virginian licences the same.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by pycbr1 »

vinay427 wrote: post #19
robin_reala wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know already. A perennial topic of annoyance for US immigrants in Sweden is that their US licence is only valid for a year here, then they have to retake their test (unlike immigrants from the EU who get to convert theirs automatically).

I think the OP was referring to Pakistan. More problematic in this respect are the UN accords that allow people from virtually any country to drive while visiting any other country, so you can have people from poorly licensed countries driving in a place where they're unfamiliar with the road system, language, etc. The EU/EEA reciprocity is due to EU regulations, not the assumption that every EU country has better dr…

I was indeed referring to Pakistan. A decade or so ago, you had to bribe a person or two in order to get your license at the dmv, and they made the actual driving test next to impossible to pass, something like "Make a reverse L shape without hitting any cones" the L being a very tight fit. If you didn't have a DL, you'd pay a bribe every time you were pulled over, although the bribes would be to the tune of $1, although the times have changed since.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by enriquto »

netsharc wrote: post #29
godsplan1 wrote: post #25

> On Jun 24th 2020: While introducing the preliminary report, Pakistan's Aviation Minister stated, that both flight crew and ATC failed to follow procedures, the pilots discussed Coronavirus and were not focussed on their piloting tasks, when ATC advised about altitude the crew replied they would manage it and again discussed Coronavirus. The crew was overconfident and not focussed. The captain's last three words wer…

I get the impression the last sentence is written (and you copy-pasted) with a bit of sneer towards their religion; in case it is, how many videos have we seen of Americans watching disaster unfolding and repeatedly saying "Ehmagerd, ehmagerd, ehmagerd"? Your account is 2 minutes older than this post... do we need to worry?

How can you deduce the religion of the pilot from these words? It is just a common expression in many languages, even non-religious people. I don't know anything about urdu, but a postdoc in my lab is an arab-speaking christian and he says that all the time. Likewise an arab speaking muslim would say that.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by thepangolino »

_-___________-_ wrote: post #10

The article makes only a passing reference to the recent crash, but serious pilot error ("incompetence on an astonishing scale" might be a better phrase than "error") appears to be a major factor in it. http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0

The fact that nearly a third of Pakistani pilots are known to have a fake license might have something to do with it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nearly-a-third-of-pakis...

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by culturestate »

brewmarche wrote: post #32
culturestate wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state. I always wonder about the situations that inspired regulations like these and exactly how they believe they're solving whatever that problem was. Was there a rash of accidents involving drivers from Texas? Did someone from Delaware blow the German test so badly that they soured the state's reputation forever? Is this somehow American Top Gear's fa…

The source of this table is probably a legal review of the different exam requirements rather than accident rates and reputation.

I thought about that, but given how easily convertible driving license are between states it still seems like a bad solution to whatever problem they're trying to avoid.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by Veen »

netsharc wrote: post #29
godsplan1 wrote: post #25

> On Jun 24th 2020: While introducing the preliminary report, Pakistan's Aviation Minister stated, that both flight crew and ATC failed to follow procedures, the pilots discussed Coronavirus and were not focussed on their piloting tasks, when ATC advised about altitude the crew replied they would manage it and again discussed Coronavirus. The crew was overconfident and not focussed. The captain's last three words wer…

I get the impression the last sentence is written (and you copy-pasted) with a bit of sneer towards their religion; in case it is, how many videos have we seen of Americans watching disaster unfolding and repeatedly saying "Ehmagerd, ehmagerd, ehmagerd"? Your account is 2 minutes older than this post... do we need to worry?

It’s telling that you consider a quote of Pakistan's Aviation Minister to be sneering with no evidence but your own “impression”, but consider a parodic and contemptuous rendering of “oh my god” perfectly acceptable.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by stingraycharles »

godsplan1 wrote: post #31
netsharc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression the last sentence is written (and you copy-pasted) with a bit of sneer towards their religion; in case it is, how many videos have we seen of Americans watching disaster unfolding and repeatedly saying "Ehmagerd, ehmagerd, ehmagerd"? Your account is 2 minutes older than this post... do we need to worry?

I am not sure where is this coming from ... I reported the statement as it is .. the thing to worry about is this : The crew was overconfident and not focussed.

I think the main concern is that you created your account just to post this, and it can be interpreted as politically opinionated. In today’s social media climate, one needs to be fairly sceptical when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Having said this, I confirm that this excerpt comes directly from the report.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by andybak »

godsplan1 wrote: post #31
netsharc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression the last sentence is written (and you copy-pasted) with a bit of sneer towards their religion; in case it is, how many videos have we seen of Americans watching disaster unfolding and repeatedly saying "Ehmagerd, ehmagerd, ehmagerd"? Your account is 2 minutes older than this post... do we need to worry?

I am not sure where is this coming from ... I reported the statement as it is .. the thing to worry about is this : The crew was overconfident and not focussed.

You can see how that might be seen as a dog whistle.
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