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Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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> They are _very_ clearly acting as publishers as well. Then they should be held liable for every post/tweet that goes on their platform! Will they be willing to accept that liability like the media houses do? You can sue the media house if it posts something that is false. You can't sue Facebook for a post someone put on it. Facebook will call itself a platform and deny taking liability for someone's post. > It does…

The post office (Twitter) is _already_ opening every envelope. That is how the personalized feeds are created. Do you think the post office should be able to check the content of your message to determine whether to deliver it to you tomorrow, next week, now (if the sender pays more)? This is a much more complicated issue than a simple publisher-platform determination. The only thing that is clear is that Twitter, Fa…

> The post office (Twitter) is _already_ opening every envelope. That is how the personalized feeds are created.

Oh I meant humans opening the envelope, reading and manipulating the content. Not just opening it. I should have been more clear. The feeds are still created out of reading it but it is not being tampered with. A publisher does still collect and read reports provided by the reporter. However, the decision to publish is only based on verification of facts because the ultimate liability rests with the publisher not the reporter. If the publisher still goes ahead (some do) with fabricated news they can and will be held liable for it. The reporter is not held liable for it. The max that can happen to the reporter is getting fired from the media house.

But with Twitter, once it attaches it's opinion to the tweet, it is essentially indulging in fact-checking. That is what a publisher does.

That is why I said that the key difference between a platform and a publisher is the step of "verification". With a feed you are still being shown unverified user generated content. The onus of verification rests on your shoulders. But once Twitter decides to verify a tweet, the onus of verification now lies on Twitter's shoulders.

> I do agree with you that new regulation is critical to help manage these systems.

Exactly. Either content is regulated or not regulated. Moderation I agree with because those are clearly defined by law (like no calling for violence, racial abuse, bomb threats, child pornography etc). But anything more than that needs to be regulated. Else these social media companies will have too much power in their hands. They can censor anything at will. I have seen many of my comments in Youtube get deleted just for the mention of the word "China". I never get an alert for it. Only after I refresh the page do I see that it has been removed. And I live in a free country not bound by any dictatorial laws. So I am sure that Youtube algorithms have some bias added into it. Censorship is so prevalent now that people are gaming the Youtube algorithms by using words like "Chyna". I remember during the initial days of the Coronavirus outbreak Youtube was removing any mention of Coronavirus and restricting/demonetizing any videos that spoke about the issue. So much so that even legitimate videos got shadow banned. So many content creators started using the word "ramen" for Coronavirus.

This sort of censorship is not good. This is not what internet was built for!

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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Is there a big list of all of the companies taking part?

https://www.stophateforprofit.org/participating-businesses

Kind of a sad excuse for a list. Can't see it moving the needle where it affects share price.

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Does DMCA really require them to do so? Doesn't it fall under fair use? Do memes also attract DMCA notices now? How about this Nickelback meme that was removed from Trump's tweet: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/twitter-nixes-tr... Are you actually telling me that this doesn't constitute fair use? If this doesn't constitute fair use then Twitter will have to delete a billion tweets that use the same meme.…

> Does DMCA really require them to do so? Doesn't it fall under fair use? Yes, if they want to keep their safe harbor protections. If they think it's fair use, refuse to comply with the DMCA notice, and it turns out it wasn't fair use, they're now liable as infringers.

> Yes, if they want to keep their safe harbor protections. If they think it's fair use, refuse to comply with the DMCA notice, and it turns out it wasn't fair use, they're now liable as infringers.

But that is not as simple as it sounds. If you issue a DMCA counter-notice there is no compulsion for the service provider to honor the counter-notice. In fact, the default is to deny the counter claim because of contractual obligations between the service provider and the first party.

You can read more about it here: https://www.newmediarights.org/copyright/DMCA/youtube_refusi...

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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All I can do is imagine Jesse Eisenberg saying this. There are other channels you can push your spend through with decent ROI. Nobody's platform be it a personal blog or small app is without analytics anymore. Shorting Facebook: FB 210p 7/10

Hope you sell those soon before you lose it all.

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Smaller advertisers risk being viewed as less relatable and ignorant of the damage to Facebook's brand.

No, they really don't because no-one can hold a list of millions of advertisers and who boycotted and who didn't in there head. There is no way most people will check a list before making a purchase either if that was going to be the next suggestion.

That wasn't the suggestion. The suggestion was, as I scroll through my feed, I see an ad and am displeased that small niche brand, whom as a small company, is more socially aware than a large corporation, and the small company is supposed to understand the issues with hate speech, yet they haven't left FB. It was not 'every consumer knows the millions of brands who left off the top of their head'.

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You do realize that regulating Facebook and other social media companies in order to force them to limit speech on their platforms would expressly violate the First Amendment? And, thank God for 1A, given the enormous amount of interest people have in limiting speech.

Why is this so hard to understand? https://xkcd.com/1357/

I'm not sure I understand. Why do you think that cartoon relates to the idea of the government regulating FB to block Trump's account?

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He hasn't really lost anything. Even if he was planning to liquidate all of his stock right now, and assuming he could sell it all at the current market rate, what do you think could really be bought for $6 billion? They are just numbers at this level. He hasn't lost anything tangible.

By that logic it's impossible for him to lose anything tangible so OP's comment is pointless.

> OP's comment is pointless.

We at least have consensus on something.

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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I'm not sure why people are hating on Facebook more than any other platform. Justified or not? Explanations pleasse.

> I'm not sure why people are hating on Facebook more than any other platform. Justified or not? Explanations pleasse.

This is a big topic, so you really can't expect someone to do your homework for you if you actually want to understand.

Long story short Facebook had already shown themselves to be duplicitous and untrustworthy on the user privacy front for more than a decade, then various other dark sides of social media made themselves most evident on Facebook, and Zuckerberg has done a poor job at responding to those challenges.

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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The post office (Twitter) is _already_ opening every envelope. That is how the personalized feeds are created. Do you think the post office should be able to check the content of your message to determine whether to deliver it to you tomorrow, next week, now (if the sender pays more)? This is a much more complicated issue than a simple publisher-platform determination. The only thing that is clear is that Twitter, Fa…

> The post office (Twitter) is _already_ opening every envelope. That is how the personalized feeds are created. Oh I meant humans opening the envelope, reading and manipulating the content. Not just opening it. I should have been more clear. The feeds are still created out of reading it but it is not being tampered with. A publisher does still collect and read reports provided by the reporter. However, the decision…

Yes, YouTube's opaque system where you cannot easily tell what is the algorithm, what is systemic moderation, and what is personal channel moderation is a good example of why it's so important to have strong regulation.

It will definitely not work to expect everyone to show exemplary good faith behavior in public interest like Twitter. Even though they don't appear to be doing enough to handle astroturfing.

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