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Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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My interpretation of what's going on: CEOs finally have leverage against their marketing departments to do black-out testing on social media ad spend. It's difficult to actually measure impact of ad spending, and marketing teams spin results to their advantage. They will observe what happens and re-introduce spending where it actually works.

2020 is very atypical and not a good time to run a "marketing off" test. Even if you did an A/B or multivariate test across different markets, you'd probably be measuring local responses to Covid more than you'd be measuring Facebook marketing effectiveness.

On the other hand, with stay-at-home orders media consumption is at an all-time high. Ads should outperform in this environment.

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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Facebook is funny because I generally agree and disagree with everyone. But people make their points so poorly, they have no sense of objectivity or analytical ability, that I’m dismayed by all sides by the lack of a principled approach.

90% of what people post about is a distraction and futile. I wish Facebook could motivate and inform people to attend local government meetings. Instead, it’s like an interactive tabloid magazine that we’re embedded in. We’re on the shelf in a Rite-Aid living in a world of ridiculousness as corporations pass by us and sell us stuff. 24 hours a day.

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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It’s so true. At the end of the day, users haven’t abandoned FB and that’s what advertisers care about.

In some ways they have though, at least in terms of time allocation. When Facebook was in its heyday it was the default social network. They dont seem to be adding as many new users and I suspect they are churning old users. They also have to compete with wechat, twitter, tiktok, reddit, twitch, etc so its not obvious to anyone but facebook how loyal the userbase is. Facebook is becoming less relevant so yes these co…

> In some ways they have though, at least in terms of time allocation. When Facebook was in its heyday it was the default social network. They dont seem to be adding as many new users and I suspect they are churning old users. They also have to compete with wechat, twitter, tiktok, reddit, twitch, etc so its not obvious to anyone but facebook how loyal the userbase is.

But it has nothing to do with loyalty. It has all to do with algorithms. If Facebook's AI is superior to Twitter, Wechat, TikTok, Reddit and Twitch then advertisers will never leave Facebook. All Facebook needs is 30 seconds of user time to show them ads. Also don't forget the audience network that Facebook has. Are you playing a free game of Ludo on your mobile? You will be shown an ad in between games. That ad is served by Facebook. So it is not even necessary for the user to be on the platform to be shown ads! Now how do you tackle that? Publishers will also have to abandon Facebook. That will not happen so easily. The only way to tackle Facebook is to create an alternative that has at least 50% of the user base that Facebook does and also have an equally good AI Ad platform or superior.

> Facebook is becoming less relevant so yes these companies will most likely be back, but what about 5 years? They might not be willing to pay the same rates. Facebook will kind of be like a personal email client that people check occasionally. Facebook.com specifically, Instagram itself will remain popular for a while I would wager.

Facebook knows that. That is why they are constantly improving their algos to make it cheaper themselves. Advertisers don't want access to a billion people really. They just need to sell to a few hundred or thousand people to make their profits. Even if Facebook userbase comes down by 50%, if the Facebook AI is half as decent as it claims to be, it will still find the right audience for advertisers to target!

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

2020 is very atypical and not a good time to run a "marketing off" test. Even if you did an A/B or multivariate test across different markets, you'd probably be measuring local responses to Covid more than you'd be measuring Facebook marketing effectiveness.

On the other hand, with stay-at-home orders media consumption is at an all-time high. Ads should outperform in this environment.

This assumes your conversion rate from media is the same. It's reasonable to hypothesize that most are significantly more reluctant to spend money in this environment.

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Zuck is busy trying ensure his best employees aren't running for the hills. Too late man too late. It's already happening.

Yeah, if recruiters are tagging the least interested in tech in my contacts, then I know it's a ship going down. Acqui-hire is their only way to replenish the talent pool, now.

Re: Zuckerberg: advertisers will be back to Facebook 'soon enough'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

2020 is very atypical and not a good time to run a "marketing off" test. Even if you did an A/B or multivariate test across different markets, you'd probably be measuring local responses to Covid more than you'd be measuring Facebook marketing effectiveness.

On the other hand, with stay-at-home orders media consumption is at an all-time high. Ads should outperform in this environment.

Engagement rates are way up, but conversion rates are down. Overall a net benefit in my line of business, but it's affecting other segments different ways.
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