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MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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Because that’s not already the case in the US? Ask a Muslim friend to post a joke about blowing up JFK and see how long it is until their door is broken down

I doubt you can make a joke about blowing an airport on any country regardless of your religion and don't expect a visit of the police. It's a very clear exception to freedom of speech.

99% of panic stories about people being arrested for Twitter is this type of stuff

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Because the Confederacy existed primarily to defend the institution of slavery. That puts it in same, short, list as Nazi Germany in my book.

Many countries in the western hemisphere had slavery at the time.

> Many countries in the western hemisphere had slavery at the time.

4 in the New World and that's counting the USA and CSA separately.

About 5 more in the west coast of Africa which are in the “Western Hemisphere." But not “many”, in any case.

But only one of them was formed in rebellion citing preservation of both slavery and white racial supremacy as key motivations.

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> I had relatives murdered in the Alamo. Should the Mexican flag get banned because I'm offended by it? Given the treatment of slavery in both the Republic of Texas and the Empire of Mexico back then, I would say that you may not need to be offended about it.

> Given the treatment of slavery in both the Republic of Texas and the Empire of Mexico back then Neither Mexican Empire was contemporaneous with the Texas revolution or Republic. The first Empire was earlier, the second Empire was later, roughly contemporary to the US Civil War.

You are right. I should have said Mexican Republic.

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>Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. While I agree, please direct me to where I can speak "in the public domain" online.

Companies aren't the only entities allowed to publish content on the World Wide Web, you know. You're free to build whatever discussion platforms you like, or you could just, y'know, publish a website.

> Companies aren't the only entities allowed to publish content on the World Wide Web

Actually, the only entities with any capacity of publishing content on the WWW are a few tier 1 ISPs.

If you push that rope you will discover that your capacity to publish anything you want is restricted by the policy of whoever hosts your servers, and their ISP, and their ISP's ISP.

If the end-state of that evolution is every entity being completely free to decide what gets published on their private platform, that's a huge problem.

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I am not very familiar with the American civil war. The way people talk about it seems weird to me though: it is as though the entire southern United States were overcome by an irresistible race hatred and they started a war in order to ensure their white supremacy- but mostly out of ignorance of the morals of this. I have a hard time believing the entire southern United States was only fighting for the right to own…

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Because that’s not already the case in the US? Ask a Muslim friend to post a joke about blowing up JFK and see how long it is until their door is broken down

Come on. Threatening to blow up an airport is not in the same ballpark as hurting someone's feelings.

Hate speech is not "hurting someone's feelings".

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I am not very familiar with the American civil war. The way people talk about it seems weird to me though: it is as though the entire southern United States were overcome by an irresistible race hatred and they started a war in order to ensure their white supremacy- but mostly out of ignorance of the morals of this. I have a hard time believing the entire southern United States was only fighting for the right to own…

The declarations of secession are very explicit that it was about racism and slavery. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati... The racism wasn't a sudden thing. What was new was the movement to ban slavery, especially in new states, which would undo the political balance that had been put in the Constitution from the beginning. (The Constitution still gives extra power to those states.) The ele…

I hadn't read these before and, wow. From Mississippi's:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization

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What next? Tibetan flags? Uighur flags? Palestinian flags? Basque flags? Chechen flags? Israeli flags? South vietnamese flags? Taiwan flags? Dominion of Newfoundland flags? Black nationalist flags? Who's the judge?

Palestinian flags have already been nixed: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/12/10/student-order...

That is one particular instance at a university. It does not mean "Palestinian flags have been nixed"...

For forza: as a private company they can ban whatever the hell they want. Vote with your wallet.

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A politician who told Nazis to leave the country was murdered by a Nazi. Suddenly this sounds a lot different.

No he didn't tell that to Nazis. He told that to citizens of his own town who feared for their safety.

Why does that even matter? Are you implying that murdering him was in any way justified?

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For example there is Parler, an alternative to Twitter. While it is not a state company, it promotes free speech. They claim "Our content is moderated based off the FCC and the Supreme court of the United States which enables free expression without violence and a lack of censorship.".

That's the claim, at least. The reality is quite different. https://www.iflscience.com/technology/free-speech-social-net... > "When you disagree with someone, posting pictures of your fecal matter in the comment section WILL NOT BE TOLERATED," the first rule states, which is just a fantastic start to any list of rules. A club that has to spell that out (presumably after multiple people broke that rule) is clearly one…

I did not know about the implicit rules. I do not use Parler yet. However the problem with trolls is a hard one to solve on any platform, especially on the platform that wants to promote free speech.

If they turn out to be a right wing version of Twitter it would be a shame. We need a platform that could accommodate both left and right wing people so that they can exchange thoughts with each other.

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