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MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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I'm curious why the confederate flag should get special treatment. I had relatives murdered in the Alamo. Should the Mexican flag get banned because I'm offended by it? Every flag represents a group that has been in the losing side of a war and killed opposing citizens or soldiers. Yet, those flags aren't banned.

Mexico is still a country and their flag is still flown. The confederacy was only around for 5 years.. that's a pretty significant difference.

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Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

To me, that'd be a good outcome for the confederate flag. It is a hate symbol and exists almost exclusively to project hatred towards black people.

It’s so odd for people to mention it being a slippery slope. The confederate flag is a symbol of when traitors in our own country tried to rise up so that they could keep people as slaves. People say it was about state’s rights, yes the rights to keep people as slaves was a huge factor of it. There is nothing to celebrate here, the South wanted to unify and overrun the North. A lot of people died over this, it’s not worth celebrating there’s no heritage there worth putting on display. Full disclosure I grew up in the north, so it wasn’t until I moved out East that I ever encountered people that really tried to pass off flying the Confederate flag as a symbol of heritage. My belief is the Nazi flag is to Germany as the Confederate flag is to the US. They are symbols of hate and symbols of a dark past. The case seems clear cut, there’s nothing slippery.

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#103

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

"This slope isn't particularly sloppy" is the single best reply capturing the delusion and dishonesty of the people who celebrate the limiting of speech and expression heere. At least admit it proudly, that you are placing a punishment on vocalbulary and imposing self-censorship and thus invading privacy too. All these masks attempting to cover-up reduction of politics to friend/enemy distinction are even more insult…

People don't want to see hateful shit in video games. You do not have god-given right to be shitty in a car game. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and create your own community that tolerates hatred.

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#104
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It’s apples and oranges. Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. The actions of private companies on private property (virtual or otherwise) are an entirely different domain than government intervention. Even if you remove the censorship angle, it can be argued that moderating hate speech is simply good business sense. Pe…

>Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. While I agree, please direct me to where I can speak "in the public domain" online.

Companies aren't the only entities allowed to publish content on the World Wide Web, you know. You're free to build whatever discussion platforms you like, or you could just, y'know, publish a website.

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What next? Tibetan flags? Uighur flags? Palestinian flags? Basque flags? Chechen flags? Israeli flags? South vietnamese flags? Taiwan flags? Dominion of Newfoundland flags? Black nationalist flags? Who's the judge?

It depends. Which ones represent the right of owning dark skinned people? I would be happy if they ban those too.

What about the persecution and/or sterilization of a people?

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#106

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

I think we should at least seriously consider that advocating for the murder or enslavement of people falls under the same speech category as incitement and yelling "fire!" in a theater. And the Confederate Battle Flag and Nazi Flag absolutely do advocate the for murder and enslavement of people.

>falls under the same speech category as incitement and yelling "fire!" in a theater.

obligatory mention every time this gets brought up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18917746

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I am not very familiar with the American civil war. The way people talk about it seems weird to me though: it is as though the entire southern United States were overcome by an irresistible race hatred and they started a war in order to ensure their white supremacy- but mostly out of ignorance of the morals of this. I have a hard time believing the entire southern United States was only fighting for the right to own…

James McPherson, a Princeton Civil War historian says: “Probably 90 percent, maybe 95 percent of serious historians of the Civil War would agree on the broad questions of what the war was about and what brought it about and what caused it, which was the increasing polarization of the country between the free states and the slave states over issues of slavery, especially the expansion of slavery.”" Look at the secessi…

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Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#108
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It’s apples and oranges. Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. The actions of private companies on private property (virtual or otherwise) are an entirely different domain than government intervention. Even if you remove the censorship angle, it can be argued that moderating hate speech is simply good business sense. Pe…

>Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. While I agree, please direct me to where I can speak "in the public domain" online.

Start your own blog.

The internet isnt just SV companies. There's nothing stopping you from creating your own platform that espouses your ideals.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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I am not very familiar with the American civil war. The way people talk about it seems weird to me though: it is as though the entire southern United States were overcome by an irresistible race hatred and they started a war in order to ensure their white supremacy- but mostly out of ignorance of the morals of this. I have a hard time believing the entire southern United States was only fighting for the right to own…

No, it wasn’t a factor that was emphasized later. It’s sometimes a conservative talking point that it was about ‘economics’ or ‘states rights’ but really the economics they were talking about was free labour from slavery, and the states rights they were talking about were the southern states rights to allow slave ownership.

Slavery was always the main issue. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to divert attention from that fact or is totally ignorant or the history.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#110

Interesting that the Japanese rising sun flag is mentioned alongside the swastika and the stars and bars; the rising sun flag remains in contemporary use by the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force.

All meaning aside, I think the off-center rising sun flag is really cool looking.

Which is probably why it's been in the JDM tuning circles for a while.
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