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MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

We've already been there a long time in terms to "What you can do on Xbox Live." You'd be insane to put a German swastika on your Forza car and expect not to get banned.

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Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

Yes - we have them here in Canada and I’m a huge fan. Say whatever you want but you should be held responsible for you words.

By the government!?

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#23

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

This isn’t censorship.

Not Government censorship, anyway.

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#24

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

This isn’t censorship.

It...is. It's just not illegal.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#25

Interesting that the Japanese rising sun flag is mentioned alongside the swastika and the stars and bars; the rising sun flag remains in contemporary use by the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force.

Yeah, I don't really understand that. Would they also ban anyone for adding the insignia for United States Army Air Forces? What about writing "Enola Gay" on the side of a car?

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I'm curious why the confederate flag should get special treatment.

I had relatives murdered in the Alamo. Should the Mexican flag get banned because I'm offended by it?

Every flag represents a group that has been in the losing side of a war and killed opposing citizens or soldiers.

Yet, those flags aren't banned.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#27

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

I wouldn’t want people to celebrate slavery in my garden, so I can understand why Microsoft wouldn’t want people to do it in theirs.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, that'd be a good outcome for the confederate flag. It is a hate symbol and exists almost exclusively to project hatred towards black people.

> To me, that'd be a good outcome for the confederate flag. Where does it end?

At a point which is beyond the confederate flag. There may well be a slippery slope somewhere along this road, but it's not here.

Gun advocates resist common sense reforms with the same logic, but lots of military weapons (minigun, flamethrower, rocket launcher, etc) are already either banned or highly regulated and have been for years without anyone's rights having been trampled.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#29

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

This isn’t censorship.

I think it's hard to seriously argue that blanket prohibitions on using a particular symbol aren't censorship. Maybe there are reasonable arguments for censoring the confederate flag, but it's unhelpful to pretend that's not what's happening here.

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Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

To me, that'd be a good outcome for the confederate flag. It is a hate symbol and exists almost exclusively to project hatred towards black people.

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