Uber CEO Wants to Shift More Engineering Jobs to India, Sparking Internal Debate

Post by thebean11 » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 2:41 PM UTC

LoSboccacc wrote: post #52

gorpomon wrote: post #39

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This is well-trodden ground as far as discussion around here goes. The common points pro and con always come up: is the quality the same (some say yes, some say no), is co-location or time-zone location important (same parenthetical), what $ amount is ethical to pay, whom is it more ethical to pay (are you a nationalist or a global citizen, etc), what's sustainable, many more etc's. I've decided that's it's a persona…

> We should really divorce politics from this discussion. that's a common technical people pitfall. politics permeates society, and ignoring it is only to your own detriment exposing you form exploitation of those whom play the political game, of which you most assuredly participate in, whether you want an active role in it or not.

Post by namdnay » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 2:42 PM UTC

fahrradflucht wrote: post #42

Avalaxy wrote: post #3

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I think the cost of an engineer is way less than 80K in India. Here in the Netherlands a senior SE would be $80K. I see no reason to go to India instead of western Europe then.

At least in Germany, $80k salary would mean costs of nearly $100k for the employer because of additional social security payments required. So it really isn't a fair comparison.

Post by jupp0r » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 2:42 PM UTC

ukoki wrote: post #41

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #18

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Why should those engineers be paid $150k if they're generating more than $300k of value? For that matter, why should an Indian engineer be paid $80k if they're generating $300k of value minus whatever hidden costs you want to assign (surely not $220k)?

People are paid based on how much a similarly skilled worker is willing to work for, not based on how much value they generate for a company.

Post by samvher » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

bberenberg wrote: post #10

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I used to think this was a bad thing, but these days I'm not so sure. Assuming you can get the same (or similar) talent in India instead of the US, doesn't it make sense to do your development in a place where your money goes farther? The capitalist in me sees this as a win: more value for shareholders, and a big life improvement for Indians. Can someone explain to me why it's a bad thing? I understand it might be ba…

"Assuming you can get the same (or similar) talent in India instead of the US" I am not aware of anyone who has succeeded at this in practice. Do you know anyone?

Post by robertlagrant » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

LoSboccacc wrote: post #52

gorpomon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is well-trodden ground as far as discussion around here goes. The common points pro and con always come up: is the quality the same (some say yes, some say no), is co-location or time-zone location important (same parenthetical), what $ amount is ethical to pay, whom is it more ethical to pay (are you a nationalist or a global citizen, etc), what's sustainable, many more etc's. I've decided that's it's a persona…

> We should really divorce politics from this discussion. that's a common technical people pitfall. politics permeates society, and ignoring it is only to your own detriment exposing you form exploitation of those whom play the political game, of which you most assuredly participate in, whether you want an active role in it or not.