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Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Post by ballenf »

pcl wrote: post #73
m0zg wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could it be that a good fraction of those "excess deaths" is caused by people choosing not to seek (or being unable to get) medical help with the conditions they already have? 2.65 million people die in the US in an average year in total, most of things like cancer or heart disease. Some of those things you can treat, some you can't nowadays, because procedures are "elective" and hospitals don't do them.

Yes, and there is a good argument that such deaths are COVID-related, even though the virus itself didn’t infect the person. This is one of the reasons that “excess deaths” is a compelling measure.

If I shoot you to prevent you from falling over the edge of a cliff, is that a fall-related death?

Causation is difficult. Obviously the answer is somewhere in the middle. I just hope that in the coming years, researchers are permitted and incentived to analyze the numbers in detail.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Post by fortran77 »

jacquesm wrote: post #92
the_other wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value of a building (or the land it sits on) in a commercial district is entirely linked to the potential for that building to make money. During lockdown there's MUCH less opportunity for that building to make money. Accordingly, rents should drop; banks should make equity release more readily available etc etc.

Rental contracts are typically five or ten year fixed. You don't get to renegotiate in the middle because circumstances change.

And no local government is giving property tax breaks.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Post by JohnBooty »

m0zg wrote: post #65
JohnBooty wrote: post #51

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The way US counts the deaths from this is "unique" in that if someone had COVID when they died, but they did not die _from_ COVID, they're still counted as a COVID death That's how diseases work. In a literal sense the only actual cause of death ever is a cessation of cardiovascular function. You don't die "from" AIDS. You die from pnuemonia, malnutrition, opportunistic infections that attack your weakened immune sys…

> the overwhelming probability is that.... yes, it was COVID-19 Even if you had stage 4 cancer and would die in a week anyway? Then there's the issue of excess deaths caused by _not going to the doctor_ because you can't do "elective" procedures like stents and such, or just because you're afraid of getting infected. You can die of cardiovascular (or other) disease this way, and if you had e.g. asymptomatic covid (li…

    Even if you had stage 4 cancer and would die 
    in a week anyway?
Why yes, then it might be more accurate to say that your stage 4 cancer killed you.

But now, consider: most people are not in the absolutely final, terminal phase of a deadly illness.

To what percentage of dead COVID-19 sufferers would a situation like that possibly apply?

A very tiny one, surely. That is why tallying COVID-19 deaths in this manner is acceptable and accurate.

It perhaps introduces a small amount of error, but is superior to Russia's method (which sounds like outright denial of reality) and the error % introduced is in any event, is at least an order of magnitude (if not two) smaller than that posed by the number of undiagnosed COVID-19 cases.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Post by m0zg »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #87
m0zg wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could it be that a good fraction of those "excess deaths" is caused by people choosing not to seek (or being unable to get) medical help with the conditions they already have? 2.65 million people die in the US in an average year in total, most of things like cancer or heart disease. Some of those things you can treat, some you can't nowadays, because procedures are "elective" and hospitals don't do them.

No. Look at states, or regions in other countries, that were under lockdown even though they did not (yet) have high numbers of COVID infections. Hospitals in these places also cancelled elective surgeries, and people avoided going doctors. But there was no excess mortality.

> Hospitals in these places also cancelled elective surgeries, and people avoided going doctors. But there was no excess mortality.

Read that again. Seems implausible AF.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Post by tomjuggler »

smabie wrote: post #46
tomjuggler wrote: post #33

Live entertainment is the least "Essential Service" of all. Most of the professional performers I know are making masks to try and survive. Hey, anyone looking to hire an ex-circus performer? My digital cv is here https://circusscientist.com/cv Mostly Android apps but I can do Wordpress, data input, server management, creative coding...

What did you do in the circus? How'd you get into tech?

I run a successful entertainment business here in Durban, started off as a street performer (Juggling, Unicycling, Rope Walking and Magic) after dropping out of an I.T. degree course. Started off in tech just solving business problems, like the company website and booking system, making my own LED equipment for performance and also as a hobby for fun. Most of it is documented on my CV, and on my blog and tutorial site https://circusscientist.com

The show does go on(line): https://bigtopentertainment.co.za

My dad was a professional programmer (Cobol and Fortran!!) so I have been programming since I was a kid actually.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Post by bane »

clintonb wrote: post #20
tmikaeld wrote: post #9

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Cirque du Soleil certainly are different and work like a tightly knit family, they do have the advantage of not being a traveling show though. Having been back-stage at a circus many times for work, it's a really tough and hard life to live in... They eventually removed all of their animals from their show, not because of external pressure, but because they could no longer care for the animals as they used to. For th…

Cirque has/had multiple traveling shows. They spend anywhere from a few days to a few weeks in each city, depending on whether it’s an arena or a big tent show.

There's a documentary on the traveling show logistics I remember seeing one time. It included a traveling school container so that the children of the employees could maintain an education.
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