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Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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I might be like... extra retarded for saying this but... with 153k cases in Florida and 3.5k deaths (2.3%), is it really that bad? I can only imagine how many hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Florida citizens have it/have had it and had no symptoms and aren't getting tested (which would drive the death percentage down something fierce). I feel like I have a higher chance of dying driving down the street. Am…

> with 153k cases in Florida and 3.5k deaths (2.3%), is it really that bad? You don't even know if it's 3.5K deaths _due to_ COVID in the first place. The way US counts the deaths from this is "unique" in that if someone had COVID when they died, but they did not die _from_ COVID, they're still counted as a COVID death. That's why countries like Russia with much less formidable healthcare systems have "lower" fatalit…

    The way US counts the deaths from this is "unique" 
    in that if someone had COVID when they died, but 
    they did not die _from_ COVID, they're still counted 
    as a COVID death
That's how diseases work.

In a literal sense the only actual cause of death ever is a cessation of cardiovascular function.

You don't die "from" AIDS. You die from pnuemonia, malnutrition, opportunistic infections that attack your weakened immune system, etc.

You don't even die directly "from" cancer. The tumors on your pancreas don't directly kill you in the sense that stepping on a landmine directly kills you.

    That's why countries like Russia with much less formidable 
    healthcare systems have "lower" fatality ratios. They're 
    counting those who died _because of_ COVID, not _with_ it.
That's not realistic at all.

Your odds of dying from disease during any given month are pretty low. If you get COVID-19 and die, the overwhelming probability is that.... yes, it was COVID-19.

While not a perfect method of accounting it is assuredly more accurate than assuming the opposite, which is what countries like Russia are apparently doing.

If a person has cancer (or hepatitis, or psoriasis, or dementia, or whatever) for two years, and then they contract COVID-19 and die the next week, it certainly may have been the cancer that did them in, but it was almost certainly the COVID-19 that put them over the edge. In reality, a number of factors did them in, but if you had to pick one it would be their acute bout with COVID-19 that proved the deciding factor.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Cirque was in trouble long before COVID. They expanded too quickly around the world and spread themselves too thin. None of their shows in the last ~10 years have been blockbusters (most of them already retired), and the novelty of the original Vegas ones has worn off. They tried a theater division which failed. They had already started to restructure their operations and announced layoffs as early as 2015. I imagine…

Maybe around the world is also where they found more success? My parents have been visiting their shows in Germany for the last few years, and they've been sold out (or close to it) every time. I'm sure that the permanent location in Berlin they had planned would've also been a success for at least a few years.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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The great depression in live performances is truly a global tragedy. If you think restaurants and barbershops have it bad, imagine theaters. For most of them it's basically impossible to do social distancing and remain financially solvent. People may be itching to go out to eat and get a haircut, but it will be a long time before people are going to pack in to an opera house. Couple that with the fact that audiences…

Why can't they just pause and resume (and the employees get unemployment benefits)?

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Escorts and strippers (sex workers) also can't perfect with social distancing in mind.

Serious question: will unregulated industries bother with public health orders if they are already ignoring the law to begin with?

Prostition is legal in many countries.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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For those that haven't seen a Cirque show, they've recently started putting 1hr samples on YouTube. Very very different to 'traditional' circus with a lot more theatre where many of the performers are essentially professional athletes with theatre skills.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=RDEMP3dHAEi0ZvUl0krV3T...

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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post #48
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Escorts and strippers (sex workers) also can't perfect with social distancing in mind.

Serious question: will unregulated industries bother with public health orders if they are already ignoring the law to begin with?

Isn't it only the US (in the developed world) criminalizing sex work?

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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The great depression in live performances is truly a global tragedy. If you think restaurants and barbershops have it bad, imagine theaters. For most of them it's basically impossible to do social distancing and remain financially solvent. People may be itching to go out to eat and get a haircut, but it will be a long time before people are going to pack in to an opera house. Couple that with the fact that audiences…

That and a lot of these venues had razor thin margins during the best of times; at half capacity they can’t survive. And that’s not even including the fact that discretionary spending will remain low until people feel financially secure, which might happen long after the pandemic is solved. Those who lost out on work will have credit holes to dig back out of once this is over. Here in LA this is killing off some stan…

Breaking out in standup comedy is already moving to YouTube. There are a few comics who record themselves performing to a very small crowd (probably of their friends) to get that live-audience energy, but their main audience is internet viewers.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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post #52
post #18

Cirque was in trouble long before COVID. They expanded too quickly around the world and spread themselves too thin. None of their shows in the last ~10 years have been blockbusters (most of them already retired), and the novelty of the original Vegas ones has worn off. They tried a theater division which failed. They had already started to restructure their operations and announced layoffs as early as 2015. I imagine…

Maybe around the world is also where they found more success? My parents have been visiting their shows in Germany for the last few years, and they've been sold out (or close to it) every time. I'm sure that the permanent location in Berlin they had planned would've also been a success for at least a few years.

Most of their revenue comes from a handful of long-running shows in Vegas. Tours and international expansions have been, for the most part, failures.

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be like... extra retarded for saying this but... with 153k cases in Florida and 3.5k deaths (2.3%), is it really that bad? I can only imagine how many hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Florida citizens have it/have had it and had no symptoms and aren't getting tested (which would drive the death percentage down something fierce). I feel like I have a higher chance of dying driving down the street. Am…

> with 153k cases in Florida and 3.5k deaths (2.3%), is it really that bad? You don't even know if it's 3.5K deaths _due to_ COVID in the first place. The way US counts the deaths from this is "unique" in that if someone had COVID when they died, but they did not die _from_ COVID, they're still counted as a COVID death. That's why countries like Russia with much less formidable healthcare systems have "lower" fatalit…

That’s just one of the approaches, another one is counting excess deaths - delta between predicted and actual mortality rates.

It normalizes against external factors, such as poor testing infrastructure or (in some countries) government pressure to keep the numbers low.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking...

Re: Cirque Du Soleil Files for Bankruptcy Protection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This holiday season is going to be a real test since we won’t have a vaccine by Novemberish. No ones going to fly out to holiday hotspots, or travel for Thanksgiving. Vaccine or bust basically.

I might be like... extra retarded for saying this but... with 153k cases in Florida and 3.5k deaths (2.3%), is it really that bad? I can only imagine how many hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Florida citizens have it/have had it and had no symptoms and aren't getting tested (which would drive the death percentage down something fierce). I feel like I have a higher chance of dying driving down the street. Am…

9/11 killed about 3k Americans, was it really that bad?
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