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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

That is an increasingly cynical view to expose given that the people who decide to do that just get blacklisted by the financial elite. https://twitter.com/TheEbonyMaw/status/1277120076186112000 , https://reclaimthenet.org/gab-andrew-torba-visa-blacklisted-...

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

> Conservatism has a place in society.

I wholeheartedly agree, and I've not heard of anyone calling to censor conservatives. Most or all of the people being de-listed are people who are breaking their platforms' terms of services. They might happen to be mostly conservative, but it seems like today it's mostly conservatives who are breaking the rules and calling for violence, doxxing people, etc. Reddit just kicked out some leftist groups for doing the same stuff, as was appropriate.

> I'm a free market capitalist

"...except when I disagree with it."

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Sometimes I wonder if there are better solutions rather than bans. Banning sounds like sweeping the dirt under the rug. I am afraid haters might concentrate in underground social networks, away from the spotlights, creating a "us and them" situation.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Wow that guy's an idiot. He actually claims the Iraq War was a failure because Iraqis have IQs in the 80s and are therefore incapable of accepting democracy. Racism aside, if you've done even a bit of reading on IQ you know it's been rising for decades if not longer. His Jeffersonian Democracy was built by people with an IQ that would be in the 80s today.

Can you point to some of that reading? Pedantically, that goes against the definition of IQ, where 100 is always average so it can't really increase over time, but your general point about people getting smarter doesn't intuitively make sense to me. Obviously we have more knowledge and resources to build on today, but I've never seen any reason to believe modern humans are smarter from birth than humans born 300 year…

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

it's not a free society. there are lots of laws and regulations in place. Saying this is a free country is a useless platitude.

Gab (twitter alternative) was just blacklisted by Visa last week. There is no recourse. What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too?

https://news.gab.com/2020/06/19/gab-blacklisted-by-visa/

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

The public square is owned by private companies and they're enforcing anti-first amendment principles. One can't even argue that these banned people can move to another platform if they're all coordinating. Leftist extremists are effecting public banishment of their rightist extremist opponents. It wouldn't be as bad if leftist extremists were getting banned at the same time. The problem is that leftist extremists ha…

What part of the first amendment covers private companies?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

Wow that guy's an idiot. He actually claims the Iraq War was a failure because Iraqis have IQs in the 80s and are therefore incapable of accepting democracy. Racism aside, if you've done even a bit of reading on IQ you know it's been rising for decades if not longer. His Jeffersonian Democracy was built by people with an IQ that would be in the 80s today.

Aren't there academic studies that concluded an average IQ of 92 is the threshold for democracy to be adopted by a population? If Im not mistaken these studies came from a University in either Denmark or Norway.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Multiple experiments have demonstrated that as you follow recommendations it drives you more and more towards extreme content. If you don’t follow recs it obviously has no “drive” to keep you on as you’re not following the journey. Basically the recommendations system always tries to drive you towards slightly more “engaging” content. Zeynep Tufekci, amongst others, published about it back in 2018.

Sure but you could say the same of woodworking videos, marble racing videos, or any niche topic. This is not a surprising outcome; it is totally expected.

> Sure but you could say the same of woodworking videos, marble racing videos

I was replying to someone stating it does not happen.

> or any niche topic.

It is absolutely not limited to niche topics.

> This is not a surprising outcome; it is totally expected.

The drive towards extremism is absolutely not “expected”.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

Alex Jones lent a camera crew to Wolfgang Halbig when he travelled to Newtown, CT to harass the parents of the first graders murdered in the Sandy Hook shooting. Years and years from now those sites you're referring to will still bear the shame of not having banned him earlier.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

Act individually, and each company is dragged over the internet rage court individually, and as a bonus the last one to act will be roasted as "only doing it because all others did."

Act together, and they are accused of conspiracy.

I guess their PR teams decided the latter is less hassle for them.

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