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YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by empath75 »

gotoeleven wrote: post #43
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I dont think people would have flocked to these platforms if they'd known that they'd be banned for politically incorrect speech down the road.

i don't think people would have flocked to these platforms if they knew it'd be shared with nazis.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by opnitro »

bjoli wrote: post #84
pingpongchef wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is incomplete. I don't dispute that he said those things but what do you claim is the similarity to Spencer or Duke?

I am not here to do any defending of anyone, but as some people are able to defend themselves as (often rightfully) with "it was taken out of context". Yet every time I have heard anything with molyneux it has seemed to me exactly the opposite. Very few things taken out of context seem very bad. As a whole, on the other hand, I always got the impression he is bat-shit insane. Does he mention white genocide? I doubt i…

I appreciate your point, but both of those tweets are bad even without context :)

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by gotoeleven »

RangerScience wrote: post #82
gotoeleven wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think people would have flocked to these platforms if they'd known that they'd be banned for politically incorrect speech down the road.

"Civil rights isn't politics", so, speech against civil rights isn't politically incorrect. (there's also definitely PC/P!C speech, but AFAIK that's not what's getting banned).

Thats a great trick just label anything you don't want debated a "right."

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by etherael »

rickbutton wrote: post #27
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

I'm not familiar with Richard Spencer or David Duke's content, but I have heard plenty of Stefan Molyneux's, and

> by alleging that members of protected groups were inferior.

From the article is an outright lie, that simply flat out never happened.

If this is what "the people" are demanding, this should be taken as evidence that "the people" are to put it bluntly, fucking retarded.

But that is no great surprise by this point in time of course.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by jacquesm »

beefee wrote: post #66
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

This appears to be coordinated election interference from tech monopolists.

If they were monopolists they wouldn't have to coordinate anything.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by anticonformist »

ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

The public square is owned by private companies and they're enforcing anti-first amendment principles. One can't even argue that these banned people can move to another platform if they're all coordinating.

Leftist extremists are effecting public banishment of their rightist extremist opponents.

It wouldn't be as bad if leftist extremists were getting banned at the same time. The problem is that leftist extremists have bullied the mainstream left into extreme action.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by YarickR2 »

meroes wrote: post #41
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

adapt or be left out

Well. We had several ideological purges earlier in 20th century, and I can tell what will happen next: every netizen will be triaged by a progressive troika, and sent to rehabilitation and education camps. Internet versions (excommunication), or real life ones .

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by ALittleLight »

dogma1138 wrote: post #29
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

> Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this Yes and no, this is less collusion and more to avoid platform hopping basically if one platform bans them they’ll flock to another even if the medium isn’t identical or the platform is not optimal for their use case any platform would do in times like these. I’m pretty sure at this point when the behavior pattern is known the platforms inform…

I don't know about that. Twitter didn't ban Molyneux and I've not seen people branding Twitter as "The platform that permits Molyneux". (Until me, just now)

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by toxik »

vkou wrote: post #76
beefee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be coordinated election interference from tech monopolists.

People doing political things you don't like is not election interference, anymore than some billionaire bankrolling right-wing SuperPACs is election interference. Elections aren't held in a vaccum. People 'interfere' with them by persuading, spending money, and by choosing to give political ideas access to their platform. Media agencies 'interfere' with elections all the time, by exercising their discretion for the…

Both kinda sound pretty undemocratic though, so there’s some merit to the claim.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by gh02t »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #63
gh02t wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's missing the forest for the trees... advocating for a "white ethnostate" is not the only thing that makes you a white supremacist and that's the real crux of the comparison. Making the distinction doesn't change the fact that he is rightfully lumped in with them on the basis of being a white supremacist . There is more nuance to Molyneux than David Duke, but he's made his views on the subject pretty clear.

The comment tree was about "white nationalism", which is definitely commonly understood to mean "wants a white ethnostate".

Fair, but is the distinction actually important in this case? It seems to me to be more of a means of obfuscating/derailing the discussion of Molyneux's views.
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