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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by adnzzzzZ »

renewiltord wrote: post #60
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

That is an increasingly cynical view to expose given that the people who decide to do that just get blacklisted by the financial elite. https://twitter.com/TheEbonyMaw/status/1277120076186112000, https://reclaimthenet.org/gab-andrew-torba-visa-blacklisted-...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by dralley »

nailer wrote: post #21
swivelmaster wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's always been pretty awful and white-supremacist-adjacent.

This "adjacent" concept has no meaning. Paraphrasing a point I made on Twitter recently: - Richard Spencer: evil. Created 'alt right' movement. - Ben Shapiro: called 'alt right' because he's right wing - Joe Rogan: called 'alt right' because he talked to Ben - Bernie Sanders supporters: called 'alt right' because Joe endorsed Bernie. Ergo: by this logic Karl Marx could be considered 'alt right' Molyneaux might be awf…

You act like the chain is like 6 links long - it is not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXZ6BZzQeCQ&t=14m01s

Jarod Taylor is very clearly a white supremacist, or as he calls himself, a "racialist". That's one link.

Also about 2 minutes after the timestamp in that clip, Stefan basically admits to being a white nationalist himself, anyway.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by ReptileMan »

stillbourne wrote: post #32
cptskippy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only case where a platform must provide services outside of the strictest sense of an intended audience is in through US Code Titles that may be applicable by law such ADA accessibilities (these codes are of course regional and may not apply outside the region in which that service is provided). So we're going to start see ADA accommodations for white supremacists claiming they're mentally handicapped and there…

While I'm willing to engage in debate I don't see reductio ad absurdum as a valid argument.

SCOTUS uses it regularly to create inventive decisions that defy common sense.

Is it absurd chromium browsers to have a blacklist of hate sites to which it refuses to connect? It is google driven project. Private property.

So yes - if you claim that you are lead by consistent rule based framework - finding the most extreme edge case makes sense (not saying that it makes good policy though)

But declaring the digital monopolists as public fora is a good idea. California already does it with the private property of the malls. The public discourse is where the people are. No one should be forced to listen to you, but if person A wants to hear what person B wants to say - the platform C should have no right to interfere, just because they are medium.

If you are platform - you should be dumb pipe should be valid on all levels of the osi model.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by stillbourne »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #51
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

It's not about the legalities. It's about whether we have the kind of society that fights bad ideas by showing why they're wrong, or fights bad ideas by screaming and blocking them. These bans seem very much like part of a trend towards the second kind of society.

It is absolutely about legalities. Look at the complaints that are made when defending this type of content. The call it cancel culture in an attempt to victimize the aggressors as being unduly treated because of their opinion. The boycott has always been a tool to defend civility and putting your money where you're values are. Calling it 'Cancel Culture' is just a new phrase to delegitimize the right of people to stand up for civil discourse and to respond to tyranny with their wallets.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by dogma1138 »

dmix wrote: post #67
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

Yes they also released a new policy update:

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by jacquesm »

zozbot234 wrote: post #9

Keep in mind that YT had been funneling viewers towards extreme, bizarre, fringe videos for a long time - including quite a bit of hateful content. This is something of their own doing.

Just like google news promoting breitbart, NYP and a whole bunch of others incessantly.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

jacquesm wrote: post #86
dmix wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

"Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative" Frame it? It is an anti-racism initiative. It may have side effects as well but that is the main driver.

They did not ban racist subreddits like /r/blackpeopletwitter and /r/fragilewhiteredditor.

If you don't know, to post on /r/blackpeopletwitter you have to send a photo of your skin color to the moderators. They are literally racially segregating users.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by moneywoes »

Edd314159 wrote: post #5
fvdessen wrote: post #3

I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Looks more lucrative

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #86
dmix wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

"Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative" Frame it? It is an anti-racism initiative. It may have side effects as well but that is the main driver.

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by FireBeyond »

syshum wrote: post #31
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

>>The only thing that the first amendment provides you with is freedom from prosecution by the government for statements you make I agreed with you until this point. You seem to make the common miskate many "but it is private company" people make. Free Speech is not limited to the 1st amendment. The concept of Free Expression exist outside of the US Constitution If society does not have respect for Free Expression (a…

> Free Speech is not limited to the 1st amendment. The concept of Free Expression exist outside of the US Constitution

In other words, neither protected nor guaranteed?

> This IMO is a Deceptive Business practice, if nothing else. YT should have Clearly define, very objected rules around content that are CLEARLY displayed that every reasonable person should be able to understand, and when content is banned they should point to the exact rule that was violated in the suppression notification

Is this not clearly defined enough for you? If not, howso?

https://www.youtube.com/about/policies/#community-guidelines

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