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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by toofy »

nexuist wrote: post #514
prox wrote: post #509

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I think there is a dichotomy here, one is rules, the other is ethics, both are different discussions. For instance, can an ethical case be made for watching people die? Is there any benefit to be gained from this beyond the first novelty factor. (A rhetorical question, just to note that the ethical debate precedes rule making)

Ideally an ethical debate would precede rule making. But last I checked nobody who didn't already work at Reddit was involved in making those rules; there was no site-wide referendum, no discussion with users, no warning that these decisions were being made. Every other social media giant operates the same way. To my knowledge no mainstream social network has ever polled its users for changes to its community policin…

> Which is crazy, because in actual society we all have the right to vote, but online we are beholden to nameless moderators and provided no representation whatsoever.

I think the decision of users to continue to spend their valuable free-time using these social media sites is their vote in this scenario.

And I don’t mean that to come across as a flippant dismissal, I really don’t. When we consider those who like to say they simply want a place to explore unpopular ideas, people are correct to question why they keep coming back to these sites.

The wider internet has no shortage of places for these people to explore the craziest ideas imaginable, and if there isn’t a place for some idea, it takes minutes to spin a server up with already packaged freely available open-source platforms.

People are voting with their valuable free-time to go back to these platforms, it is personal preference in action.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by toofy »

Thomas812 wrote: post #553
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #486

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If you feel restricted by rules preventing you from being hurtful towards others, the problem is you, not the rules.

If you can't comprehend that hurtful is completely subjective you should not be writing any rules.

Just because something is subjective doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merit.

Most things in the world outside of pure mathematics are subjective. If you’re looking to do nothing if it involves subjective decision making, nothing would ever get done.

All around us, all day every day, we look at a problem, we take the best info and expertise available to us, and we make a judgement call.

The fact that almost always some level of subjectivity exists doesn’t mean we do nothing.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ashtonkem »

michaelmrose wrote: post #612
ashtonkem wrote: post #602

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Yes, I said that.

Reddit has been garbage on mobile browsers for a while have you tried any of the unofficial reddit apps? I in particular like RIF but there are several.

As a general rule, I avoid native apps for most social media platforms, just to avoid over-using them.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by airtonix »

door99 wrote: post #605
patmorgan23 wrote: post #600

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Fascism is not he only form of authoritarianism. Many people commit thuggery and intimidation against people who hold normal everyday views in the name of anti-fascist action. The name of a movement doesn't mean it can't be coopted for other purposes/drift from its original purpose. Just like the nature/culture of subreddits change over time.

If you think antifa is targeting “normal everyday views” I’m concerned about what sort of views you think those are. Do you think that neonazi and alt right organizations hold “everyday normal views”? That’s what antifa targets

If you think The Spanish Inquisition is targeting “normal everyday views” I’m concerned about what sort of views you think those are. Do you think that not acknowledging God as our one true saviour and creator and those jewish/muslim/eastern-orthodox/atheist organizations hold “everyday normal views”? That’s what the Spanish Inquisition targets?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by airtonix »

door99 wrote: post #614
kemonocode wrote: post #610

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I am anti-fascist. Neo-Nazis and anyone who espouse similar views will get absolutely no love from me. That doesn't mean I stand with Antifa.

>I am anti-fascist >That doesn't mean I stand with Antifa. Do you know what antifa is short for

YOu know what doublethink is?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ansible »

secondcoming wrote: post #543
ansible wrote: post #523

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> As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time... Racism isn't useful and isn't actionable at a policy level. Let's suppose there is some trait X (could be IQ test score, high jump ability, whatever) that is statistically variant by rigorously defined race. Group A scores on average 98, group B scores on average 103. The median difference between groups doesn't actually matter, be…

You seem to be describing a meritocracy which, if I understand correctly, is an ideal promoted by white supremacists? Would you mind if I flagged your post?

> You seem to be describing a meritocracy which, if I understand correctly, is an ideal promoted by white supremacists?

White supremacists might say they want a meritocracy, but most/all of them actually don't. They just want to create filters slightly more subtle than "no X allowed" signs for their establishments.

As I mentioned, if you are going to test, it needs to be fair and accurate, or else it isn't useful. If you want chess champions, you don't hold a quiz on trivia, you stage a chess competition.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ansible »

concordDance wrote: post #528
ansible wrote: post #523

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> As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time... Racism isn't useful and isn't actionable at a policy level. Let's suppose there is some trait X (could be IQ test score, high jump ability, whatever) that is statistically variant by rigorously defined race. Group A scores on average 98, group B scores on average 103. The median difference between groups doesn't actually matter, be…

Actual discussion of racist thought is pretty off topic, I am more interested in where one could find good anti-race realist resources (and arguing for why attemptibg to censor racist thought can cause the problem of lack of said resources) then trying to rehash hundred thousand word arguments on an extremely complex topic in comments. That said, it would be rude to ignore the effort you've made, so: The main actiona…

> Also, there is a weakness in testing, namely that even racialists think things like intelligence are partly non-shared environment, so if you set a lower bar filter from a population with lower average IQ, then while the people you get will meet your threshhold, their children would often not (assuming this supposed genetic difference exists), which is relevant to immigration rules.

So are we going to kick out in-group children from the country when their IQ scores aren't high enough? No? Then that is a a bad argument.

Also, I have been trying to avoid the whole debate on what IQ test actually measure...

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by pasabagi »

Vaslo wrote: post #598
yogthos wrote: post #566

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The problem is that /r/metacanda is a hate sub for white supremacists by white supermacists. Apparently that's well within Reddit ToS though.

What is an example of a “White Supremacist” message on there? Not seeing anything supremacist in the first 10 or so top messages.

Nazis tend to have a lot of dog-whistles, and it's hard to keep up with them, but I tend to assume that any site that includes direct slurs ('retard', etc) with a lot of more subtle symbols (pepe everywhere, 'globalists') and a lot of content ridiculing various minorites and 'leftists' is probably a Nazi hangout.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by kangaroozach »

luckylion wrote: post #477
TheMightyLlama wrote: post #469

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This is a really good point. Today most (if not all) social media platforms seem to be relying on a central or centralised moderation system. Meaning that the limits of the Overton window are defined by a small set of people rather than the community itself. Here, I purposefully state 'the community' rather than 'representatives of the community' as these are two very different things. Reddit for example is moderated…

> Meaning that the limits of the Overton window are defined by a small set of people rather than the community itself. I wonder if that's even the case, or if the range of allowed opinions is rather set by advertisers and investors. If Reddit had a very large, very lucrative Pro-Life community that essentially "kept the lights on" by providing high ad revenue, I doubt that they wouldn't cater to that community's wish…

This is not true. It’s because they and their employees are ideological and believe in their own moral superiority. The media in general is not leaning strongly to the left as a business decision. They are run by people that are intolerant ideologues who morally can’t allow counter arguments and opinions to be heard or seen.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by mariusor »

ehsankia wrote: post #253
TulliusCicero wrote: post #235

I have to say, at the very least, the UI is a breath of fresh air compared to new Reddit. New Reddit is just...I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels awful to look at.

While I agree that new reddit is awful, I still much prefer old reddit to this. Also what's up with this new trend of having the main content width-restricted, but not the header [0]? The new GitHub UI that went live this week has the exact same problem on wide screens. What kind of UX designer ever approved such a mess and why do so many sites do this? The main UI itself, again very width restricted, but also has st…

Well, I'm glad to report that I'm working on a federated link aggregator project that tries to keep the good parts of old reddit. A test instance can be found at https://littr.me
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