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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by dang »

stopratelimit wrote: post #541
nexuist wrote: post #493

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If you can't speak out or express thoughts against the rules, you are ceding your own ability to ever change the rules. Allowing a small subset of people to control the rules for the masses has never, will never, and could not ever work in a free society. The small groups of Twitter and Reddit moderators are far too small to ever represent the diversity of human thought. You may think the rules prevent harm today, bu…

>If you can't speak out or express thoughts against the rules, you are ceding your own ability to ever change the rules. Allowing a small subset of people to control the rules for the masses has never, will never, and could not ever work in a free society. That's funny, I find the moderators stifle talking about the rules on Hackernews via secret shadowbans, post rate limiting, and other secret punishments...yet here…

Nobody "stifles talking about the rules". We answer questions every day.

When we ban an account, we don't use shadowbanning it unless it is relatively new and shows signs of spamming or trolling, or being related to past abuses [1]. When an account has an established history, we say that we're banning it and why [2].

We rate limit accounts when they post too many low-quality comments too quickly and/or get involved in flamewars [3]. We're happy to take the rate limit off (and often do) when people give us reason to believe that they'll use the site as intended in the future. Emailing hn@ycombinator.com is the best way to do that.

Creating accounts to get around these restrictions is obviously a repetition of the original abuse and will get your main account banned as well if you keep doing it, so please don't do that.

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ashtonkem »

michaelmrose wrote: post #442
ashtonkem wrote: post #341

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My biggest anger with new reddit is that it just doesn’t work. It’s rare that a video will play twice without a reload, infuriating if you want to share a funny video with a spouse, and it will regularly go into a mode where all videos stop working until a complete reload happens. This has been a consistent drag on my reddit usage now that my primary consumption of sites like this is via my iPad, and I suspect I’m no…

Do you use reddit on a mobile browser?

Yes, I said that.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by patmorgan23 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #520
TomSwirly wrote: post #513

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Yes, real world problems are hard. I'm not sure what point you're trying to convey though? We can't just say, "The boundaries of hate speech are unclear, so we'll do nothing and have uncensored speech." This experiment has been tried over and over again, with uniformly bad results.

My point was, that it is hard and the lines are blurry. But actually I do believe in the concept of unrestricted speech. But I really don't know when was the last time, that was tried. There were times, when certain topics were ok to speak freely about, like racism, yes, but at those times other topics were restricted, so what exactly are you talking about?

There's a difference between largely unrestricted speech legally (being free from gov censorship) and having an unmoderated online community. Moderation is a good thong when done correctly, it raises the quality of the conversion by keeping bad actors and off-topic/toxic comments /post out. There's value in both tightly moderated and loosely moderated communities/spaces.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by patmorgan23 »

bhupy wrote: post #581
ves wrote: post #576

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Do you know anywhere with truly unrestricted speech? The US has the freest speech that I know of (granted it’s also the only model that I’m so familiar with), and even it has plenty of restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...

The restrictions on speech in the US are confined to “imminent lawless action”, per Brandenburg v Ohio. I think the commenter to whom you are replying might be entirely fine with Reddit’s speech policy following that precedent. And no, shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater is not illegal and is protected by the First Amendment.

But you can't shout fire in crowed theater with the intent to cause chaos. You can shout fire in a crowded theater, if there is an actual fire.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by door99 »

patmorgan23 wrote: post #600
door99 wrote: post #594

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How on earth is being against fascism and being for fascism similar in any regards at all

Fascism is not he only form of authoritarianism. Many people commit thuggery and intimidation against people who hold normal everyday views in the name of anti-fascist action. The name of a movement doesn't mean it can't be coopted for other purposes/drift from its original purpose. Just like the nature/culture of subreddits change over time.

If you think antifa is targeting “normal everyday views” I’m concerned about what sort of views you think those are. Do you think that neonazi and alt right organizations hold “everyday normal views”? That’s what antifa targets

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by arkades »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #437
Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

It's probably not possible in the current universe of the web, at least not without significant attention spent solely on this issue. In general a larger social network has more value if it can help you find people who share each of your interests, e.g. there is a subreddit for all things. There will always be a group of people who are drawn to new tech, but it needs to somehow actually solve a real problem that the…

> there is a subreddit for all things.

1. It needs to position itself as something other than not-reddit

2. There are a lot of issues Reddit really doesn't solve. Reddit encourages short, pithy, drive-by posts without much in the way of engagement at all. Compare old newsgroups, old forums, or even the average post here, compared to the average post (even in a niche sub) on reddit. Reddit:??Mysteryreplacement::Twitter:Blogs. I don't know what ??Mysteryreplacement will be, but there's certainly room for it.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by antepodius »

zanny wrote: post #386
jimbob45 wrote: post #286

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You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.

Insert paradox of intolerance here. We want to act like we are purely rational beings, and maybe some of us operate on that level consistently, but those of us that do not, even for a moment, are ripe to have their animal brains taken advantage of for evil.

That isn't the paradox of tolerance. That's you, the upper-class intelligentia, deciding the fate of the subhuman masses.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by INTPenis »

honksillet wrote: post #584
INTPenis wrote: post #450

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I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

Mastadon question. If there any way to search mastadon instances? It seems discoverability is an issue.

No not all instances, unless you write a script using their API.

The public timeline of all instances is by default public, without authentication. So technically you could scrape them.

Also I must advocate relaying. ActivityPub relays are very simple servers that receive all posts from any subscribed instance. Not just mastodon either, multiple AP services supported.

And then relays those posts to all subscribed instances.

Relaying does wonders for the public timeline of a small localized instance.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by honksillet »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #486
wojciii wrote: post #449

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Some subreddits were banned because other disliked the content. Like watchpeopledie. While the sub was disgusting banning it was for me the last nail in the coffin of social networks which decide what is the best for me. While I still use Reddit I'm looking for an alternative without the built-in censorship.

If you feel restricted by rules preventing you from being hurtful towards others, the problem is you, not the rules.

I think most people would interpret "hurtful to others" as incitement to violence, but in practice what is being enforced is a much weaker, blurry and often political standard of hurting other peoples feelings.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by kemonocode »

yogthos wrote: post #597
door99 wrote: post #594

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How on earth is being against fascism and being for fascism similar in any regards at all

In fact, I'd argue that anybody who's not explicitly anti-fascist is at the very least comfortable with fascism.

I am anti-fascist. Neo-Nazis and anyone who espouse similar views will get absolutely no love from me. That doesn't mean I stand with Antifa.
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