Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development • Hacker News Board

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by fzeroracer » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

agensaequivocum wrote: post #243

rsynnott wrote: post #220

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Approximately no-one on reddit or twitter is saying that straight people shouldn't be allowed marry. Plenty of people on both are saying that I shouldn't be, though. To take just one example. "People should be marginalised, and made second class citizens, and marginalised people should be kept marginalised" is a pretty common theme on the far right. It is rare on the far left; not that it's non-existent, but there ju…

> People should be marginalised, and made second class citizens, and marginalised people should be kept marginalised" is a pretty common theme on the far right. What? Not that there is no one with this view but it is an extreme minority. Same with people calling for the killing of all cops on the left, very small minority.

Mike Pence is one example and he's the VP. Calling it an 'extreme minority' when there are multiple examples of high-level politicians holding views like that seems disingenuous.

As far as I can tell, there are no politicians or indeed anyone with significant power calling for the killing of all cops.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:55 PM UTC

chinesempire wrote: post #244

TulliusCicero wrote: post #231

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> I don't mind trolls, if I can decide who they are and silence them. This only works for small communities. You can't feasibly block the literally thousands of trolls and petty assholes that are posting on Reddit every day without that task consuming all your time. Multiply that by every single user having to do it personally and it gets even sillier. There's a reason basically every popular platform is moderated on…

> This only works for small communitie That's simply not true Ad blocking works because I decide what to block, not because the websites posting the ads are moderating them in a good way Let me decide, is it really that scary? My email account is not on Gmail, I manage the spam, and it's ridiculously easy to get just the content I want and delete everything else It's hard to scale it for hundreds of accounts automati…

> Ad blocking works because I decide what to block

Ad blocking isn't a community or discussion forum, and most people just use whatever blacklists some 'authority' comes up with.

I guess the equivalent for a forum would be where you could not only block users (which is already common), but also share/combine blocklists. That's an interesting idea.

I think you'd run into the WoW sharding problem where it creates a sort of dissonance where you're nominally in the same space but also not in the same space at the same time. Still, would be cool to at least experiment with.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ehsankia » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #235

I have to say, at the very least, the UI is a breath of fresh air compared to new Reddit. New Reddit is just...I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels awful to look at.

While I agree that new reddit is awful, I still much prefer old reddit to this. Also what's up with this new trend of having the main content width-restricted, but not the header [0]? The new GitHub UI that went live this week has the exact same problem on wide screens. What kind of UX designer ever approved such a mess and why do so many sites do this?

The main UI itself, again very width restricted, but also has strange paddings [1] which limit severely the area for the title (which is the most important UI element). Doesn't really make sense to me. The vertical centering is a bit of a mess, and the size of icons is also either way too big or way too small [2].

[0] https://i.imgur.com/gZEWEdJ.png

[1] https://i.imgur.com/nayP548.png

[2] https://i.imgur.com/XZPToxy.png

EDIT: Huh, I hadn't used new reddit in a long time, I actually took a look now and it seems like it has improved significantly. I actually don't hate it as much, it looks much closer to old reddit now, with full width content and much less padding [3]

[3] https://i.imgur.com/c1QBucR.png

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by buzzert » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #253

TulliusCicero wrote: post #235

I have to say, at the very least, the UI is a breath of fresh air compared to new Reddit. New Reddit is just...I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels awful to look at.

While I agree that new reddit is awful, I still much prefer old reddit to this. Also what's up with this new trend of having the main content width-restricted, but not the header [0]? The new GitHub UI that went live this week has the exact same problem on wide screens. What kind of UX designer ever approved such a mess and why do so many sites do this? The main UI itself, again very width restricted, but also has st…

Agreed. At least old Reddit didn’t require JS to load anything a didn’t show spinners every time you clicked on something.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by fzeroracer » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

agensaequivocum wrote: post #249

fzeroracer wrote: post #216

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Firstly, no, that position isn't 'scientific'. The scientific portion of the equation comes from the separation of gender and sex along with the psychological and sociological expectations of how someone conforms to a given gender role. I see this often that people take a disingenuous stance and then claim it's 'scientific' when its anything but. Secondly, that argument has a lot of baggage associated with it. Transg…

> It's an argument around taking away the rights of a certain group of people It's not a right to be in the military. You also don't have a right to my services. So if I don't want to make a cake because I don't agree with a homosexual lifestyle or maybe because I have issue with the Catholic faith that it well within my right.

I mean, now we've established why you would end up getting banned from many subreddits. You're essentially arguing to treat one group of citizens as second-class citizens because you don't like them. A lot of things aren't 'rights' until they're codified in law, but that doesn't mean people don't deserve to be treated equally with others.

I would never agree to take away rights from a Catholic, but it's disappointing to see a Catholic argue to take away rights from someone else using their faith as a bludgeon. Especially when I know many Catholics whom treat gay people the same as everyone else.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by fiblye » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

holidaygoose wrote: post #64

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

When reddit first launched, the media and mainstream leaned a bit more right. Reddit had people with pretty heavily left leaning views and also borderline anarchist libertarians flocking to it. Gay marriage and legal weed were actually not incredibly mainstream ideas back then and people who supported these things were often pushed out of many places, but virtually everyone posting on reddit supported it and topics like it popped up daily, mixed among programming news. There was also batshit sovereign citizen stuff and videos of people walking out of court because the court flags had gold fringes and that meant it wasn’t legit, and quite a few people on reddit praised stuff like this.

Now the virtually everybody out there already supports gay marriage and legal weed, and those are a baseline for everything left of center and basically mainstream thought now. Everybody right of that gets pushed out of communities, so whenever some new community pops up, you get a whole spectrum of right of center as well as sovereign citizen types again looking to settle down and establish a community like left of center people did with places like reddit all those years ago. One bad thing for these new communities is that the internet is far more accessible now, and the more extreme members see their chance to finally talk, and those with extreme opinions like talking a lot.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by glenstein » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

edw wrote: post #109

MattGaiser wrote: post #91

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There is poo on every surface. The key question is the amount of poo relative to the other stuff.

Here’s another question: Would any of our lives be any worse — or would they be better? — if we simply chose to walk away and not be a part of any of these platforms, HN included? How much of our lives is made up of karma whoring, level grinding, and falling into the " rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/386/> trap?

I dislike this framing because I think the important thing here -- the need to resist false equivalences between different platfroms -- gets papered over, when it's a really practical and important question with real implications. I don't think 'all platforms are bad' represents forward motion in a conversation about what platforms are able to do differently to make them better than others.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #253

TulliusCicero wrote: post #235

I have to say, at the very least, the UI is a breath of fresh air compared to new Reddit. New Reddit is just...I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels awful to look at.

While I agree that new reddit is awful, I still much prefer old reddit to this. Also what's up with this new trend of having the main content width-restricted, but not the header [0]? The new GitHub UI that went live this week has the exact same problem on wide screens. What kind of UX designer ever approved such a mess and why do so many sites do this? The main UI itself, again very width restricted, but also has st…

> Also what's up with this new trend of having the main content width-restricted, but not the header [0]?

For extremely wide screens it obviously looks awkward, but the idea seems sound in principle.

IIRC, the reason you'd want to restrict width of content is that it's hard for your eyes to track back all the way left, to the start of the content, when you need to go down a line. But the header is just a single line, so it doesn't have this problem.

In the case of very wide screens they should probably restrict the header width too, just not quite as much.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by Acrobatic_Road » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #200

throwvid19 wrote: post #138

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Most social sites lean left, and far-left dialog is generally tolerated in those places, while anything right of center is demonized in a gradient of intensity the further right you go. Your own scenarios exhibit this, for example: - You ask if the far-right are magnitudes more vocal, ignoring the comparison to the extremely vocal far-left which is heard regularly on mainstream social media - You conflate "conservati…

Weird, r/anarchocapitalism will ban anyone who is on the left, and r/conservative will ban conservatives who speak out against Trump. Even r/TheMotte will ban people for things like tone. I've yet to find these mythical spaces where conservatives tolerate speech they in particular don't like.

Oh, but they definitely do exist. On 08chan, 0chan, and millchan they do not have post moderators. Anything goes including illegal content.

https://imgur.com/NakH7Rd

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by earthscienceman » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 11:00 PM UTC

agensaequivocum wrote: post #248

earthscienceman wrote: post #208

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I love how you explicitly avoided the use of the word gender and don't actually address that you're uncomfortable that some people don't fit into the social boxes of male and female. As for vitriol against billionaires and cops, taking a stand against people abusing power is as American as the Boston tea party. If you're advocating for people to shut up and take the abuse you sound pretty authoritarian to me. Is it t…

> I love how you explicitly avoided the use of the word gender Maybe because sex is a more accurate term. > don't actually address that you're uncomfortable that some people don't fit into the social boxes of male and female. So? What's your point? Male and female on not simple social boxes. There are real biological and physical differences between them.

No. Sex is not a more accurate term. Sex is a more accurate term for whether or not someone has a dick or a pussy, to use the vernacular of the right. I've never heard someone say "you should care whether I have a dick or a pussy". People use the word gender because they're essentially trying to say "yes, I have a dick, I want to act and feel like a woman, and I don't don't deserve to be subjugated or murdered for it (or vice-versa in sex/gender)

Yep. There are biological and physical differences between dicks and pussies, glad you got that figured out like a third grader. No one is talking about that except you. People are talking about the experiences that individuals with "gender dysphoria" have in society. You can call them mentally ill if you want, I don't care, but I think they deserve respect and protection. And, regardless, the discussion requires more nuance outside of "there are biological and physical differences".