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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero »

Neat, but the big test for a discussion platform like this is what happens when they get big enough to matter, to get the attention of journalists looking for a scoop.

It's easy to slide by with haphazard (or no) moderation when you're small. Discussion extremists (trolls, bigots, and the like) are less attracted to smaller platforms; they'd prefer bigger ones, if any would take them.

I'm curious what will happen with the central listing of communities if a particularly vile community gains popularity. If there's a community unapologetically dedicated to, say, neo-nazism, and they like to do things like praise Hitler or discuss ways they can kill racial minorities, do they still get listed? How will others feel about that?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by dorkinspace »

natdempk wrote: post #205
as1mov wrote: post #76

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It's a weird issue honestly. I've been on reddit for almost a decade, and I don't like what it has become. I would love to switch to a better alternative, but the problem is any alternative that pops up seems to be filled with extremists as soon as it starts. This doesn't imply that anyone who wants to leave reddit is a neo-nazi, a lot of us are stuck with reddit because everything else is filled with shit.

What are you thoughts on tildes? In my experience the community there is reasonable and definitely not filled with nazis.

I really liked the idea originally. Unfortunately it turned into a pretty hard left leaning echo chamber. This was partially driven by mods from extreme left subreddits being very active on the site.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by superkuh »

LockAndLol wrote: post #201
superkuh wrote: post #132

> JavaScript is required for this page. Yeah, I'm out. That was a problem with the federated reddit-alike notabug.io too. It was just one giant javascript application, not html. And doing "pre-rendering" of the javascript on the host machine made the VPS costs too much to be tenable for people to federate.

Prerendering of the JavaScript? What do mean by that? Don't you mean prerendering HTML?

I do. I just worded it badly. I meant "pre-rendering of the javascript" to mean executing JS on the server and then sending the resulting actual html/css.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by glenstein »

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

>How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat?

It has a number of things going for it. First, it's on activitypub, and will have the same kind of granular federating controls as mastodon, at least at the instance level.

And as another commenter mentioned about initial culture, the politics/cultural tilt of the devs are unapologetically anti-righ wing troll, which is a great start, and a lot of the stuff people post about is linux/open source/libre/fediverse stuff, which is a focused interest that doesn't fall back to the lowest common denominator of trolling.

I think it's off to a good start, it's starting with a good culture that's explicitly conscious of the trolling problem, and it shares a lot of the spirit and mission of the other fediverse projects which are driven by conscious concern in mitigating these issues.

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Post by jedberg »

CM30 wrote: post #110
as1mov wrote: post #76

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It's a weird issue honestly. I've been on reddit for almost a decade, and I don't like what it has become. I would love to switch to a better alternative, but the problem is any alternative that pops up seems to be filled with extremists as soon as it starts. This doesn't imply that anyone who wants to leave reddit is a neo-nazi, a lot of us are stuck with reddit because everything else is filled with shit.

The best way to stop an alternative becoming filled with extremists is to start it off as a community for a specific audience, then expand to a more general one later on. Twitch and Discord did well there for instance. Started out as gaming focused, then became more mainstream. By doing this, you bring in non extremists early on, and tilt the audience pecentages in such a way that most regulars aren't such extremists…

But if you're just copying reddit, why would someone want to go to "a reddit for art" if reddit already has a section for art? You have to offer something substantially better, otherwise it's easier to just stay where the traffic is.

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Post by fzeroracer »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #188
badRNG wrote: post #164

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I don't think that there's an equivalency between the advocacy for the genocide of black people, Jews, trans people, etc and opposing someone for their political beliefs. Perhaps there'd be more legitimacy in a comparison to the vitriol on the left against billionaires and cops, but these are positions of power, not identity groups one is born into. All revolutionaries of all political persuasions will oppose those i…

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Firstly, no, that position isn't 'scientific'. The scientific portion of the equation comes from the separation of gender and sex along with the psychological and sociological expectations of how someone conforms to a given gender role. I see this often that people take a disingenuous stance and then claim it's 'scientific' when its anything but.

Secondly, that argument has a lot of baggage associated with it. Transgender people get banned from the military because they 'cannot change their sex' or 'transgender people lose their jobs because they don't conform'. It's an argument around taking away the rights of a certain group of people and it shouldn't be surprising that people don't want to associate with that.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by badRNG »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #188
badRNG wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that there's an equivalency between the advocacy for the genocide of black people, Jews, trans people, etc and opposing someone for their political beliefs. Perhaps there'd be more legitimacy in a comparison to the vitriol on the left against billionaires and cops, but these are positions of power, not identity groups one is born into. All revolutionaries of all political persuasions will oppose those i…

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> Yes there are a very small minority of people who do call for this

I agree with you. We are talking about how targeted groups will demand moderation to avoid persistent targeted harassment from a comparatively small number of people.

Conservatives are also often targets of hate. There are black, Jewish, gay, and trans conservatives who are also targeted not for the content of their politics, but due to attributes they were born with and cannot change. I can always set aside my politics, but one cannot set aside their race, gender identity or ethnic group.

Since the discussion is the sociological cause, the fact that the group doing the harassing is small, it will nearly always be banned by the larger majority that is targeted.

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Post by TheGrim-888 »

earthscienceman wrote: post #185
throwvid19 wrote: post #169

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As a straight white dude from the rural United States who regularly hangs out in extremely far-left circles in very far-left places... you're out of your mind. I've never once heard a 'leftist' advocate for the murder of men, whites, straight people, conservatives, or rural dwellers (although, to be fair, occasionally the police). However, growing up and still when I visit home, I regularly hear how black people, que…

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rglullis »

_8j50 wrote: post #66
rglullis wrote: post #54

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Is paying in crypto that much of a feature for you? Honestly curious about it. I have been working on hosted Mastodon/XMPP/Matrix and I would definitely consider adding Lemmy to my list of supported services. If I can get authentication via LDAP for it, even better and quicker. The one thing stopping me from a bigger announcement is that I am yet to finish my crypto payment integration. If you are indeed interesting…

I pay 3x the price for protonmail just so I can buy crypto at an inflated price with cash and pay for my email. Yes it is critical for me. I and many others are willing to pay up for a service that respects our privacy and asks for consent before selling us out.

Thank you! You just helped me validate all of the work I've been doing for the past 7-8 months.

Can I contact you in a few days outside of here? If so, how? Keybase?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rsynnott »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #144
badRNG wrote: post #106

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People don't want to be exposed to content that dehumanizes them, argues for their extermination, or targets harassment against them. There are large swaths of the population who are targeted by the far right in this way. These targeted groups simply wont deliberately return to a site that consistently provides them that experience, there's simply no reason for them to. These large segments of the population will dem…

> people don't want to be exposed to content that dehumanizes them, argues for their extermination The left does this on Reddit/Twitter constantly towards right wing people and no one bats an eye. It's like maybe those in power are extremely biased towards the left.

Approximately no-one on reddit or twitter is saying that straight people shouldn't be allowed marry. Plenty of people on both are saying that I shouldn't be, though. To take just one example.

"People should be marginalised, and made second class citizens, and marginalised people should be kept marginalised" is a pretty common theme on the far right. It is rare on the far left; not that it's non-existent, but there just aren't that many sincere Stalinists or similar left.

What dehumanising content are you seeing from the left? I mean, if it's just "the other side are bad people" stuff, well, everyone does that. The "these classes of people should be socially and politically suppressed" stuff is overwhelmingly from one side, though.

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