Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development • Hacker News Board

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by marcinzm » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:36 PM UTC

jimbob45 wrote: post #127

Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. If those start creeping into your politics, memes, and video game subreddits, then yeah you’ve got a rough problem.

>Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits.

Which wasn't enough as I understand since those communities would en-mass attack other communities that they disagreed with.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:37 PM UTC

strombofulous wrote: post #103

as1mov wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, but at least reddit is unique in that it seems to get accused of being accused of both kinds of extremism, Tumble/Twitter/HN seem to think it's a right wing shithole, while the 4chan/Imageboard ilk thinks it's a leftie propaganda machine. That's not the case with the alternatives, most tend to go really hard on one side of the extremism scale (right: voat, left: raddle).

I can't imagine thinking reddit is right-wing in any way whatsoever. Just looking at the front page (/r/all) I counted five explicitly left-leaning posts (on subreddits like /r/whitepeopletwitter), three that alluded to left-leaning subjects in a positive way (such as a post on /r/atheism), and 0 posts that even came close to kind of sounding like it might have been right-leaning. And this doesn't even consider the c…

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by kelnos » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:37 PM UTC

edw wrote: post #109

MattGaiser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is poo on every surface. The key question is the amount of poo relative to the other stuff.

Here’s another question: Would any of our lives be any worse — or would they be better? — if we simply chose to walk away and not be a part of any of these platforms, HN included? How much of our lives is made up of karma whoring, level grinding, and falling into the " rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/386/> trap?

I think you could credibly ask that question for nearly anything outside of human basic needs. But the answer is simple: people are entertained and enriched by different things.

I certainly spend some amount of time on HN replying to things I shouldn't bother with, but the majority of my time on HN is filled with learning new things and hearing interesting perspectives on those things. I consider it a net positive in my life, and over the years I've gotten better at avoiding the negative parts.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by agensaequivocum » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:37 PM UTC

badRNG wrote: post #106

holidaygoose wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

People don't want to be exposed to content that dehumanizes them, argues for their extermination, or targets harassment against them. There are large swaths of the population who are targeted by the far right in this way. These targeted groups simply wont deliberately return to a site that consistently provides them that experience, there's simply no reason for them to. These large segments of the population will dem…

> people don't want to be exposed to content that dehumanizes them, argues for their extermination

The left does this on Reddit/Twitter constantly towards right wing people and no one bats an eye. It's like maybe those in power are extremely biased towards the left.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rhizome » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:37 PM UTC

as1mov wrote: post #76

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

It's a weird issue honestly. I've been on reddit for almost a decade, and I don't like what it has become. I would love to switch to a better alternative, but the problem is any alternative that pops up seems to be filled with extremists as soon as it starts. This doesn't imply that anyone who wants to leave reddit is a neo-nazi, a lot of us are stuck with reddit because everything else is filled with shit.

What do you mean by "it," in "what it has become?" Also, what value(s) you're looking for in "better alternative," because none of anything in your comment is specific besides "neo-nazi." I'm aware of the site's problems with them of course, but they don't encroach on my daily usage, so I'm curious what might be pushing you away if it's something other than a constant barrage of neonazis in every subreddit you subscribe.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:38 PM UTC

as1mov wrote: post #60

One thing that stands out to me is lemmy has public modlogs[1], this is a great feature in my opinion. Something that should be more common. Quite a few people on reddit are frustrated by how opaque moderation is, but looking at the meta community of power users that seems to mod the bigger subs, I doubt the devs will ever copy this feature. [1]: https://dev.lemmy.ml/modlog

I moderate a couple of subreddits and agree moderation is a disaster. For popular subs, moderators are basically swamped in a never-ending avalanche of shit. Even if you want to be a good mod, doing so for the long haul is an insane time commitment.

The fact that being banned from one sub doesn't usually get you banned from another sub is totally understandable, but combined with how easy it is to make a new account, in practice it's just never-ending whack-a-mole with shithead posters.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by agensaequivocum » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:38 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #84

holidaygoose wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

Everyone else has no strong reason to leave the existing platform.

There are quite a few people on the left in the gun community who do.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by gpm » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:39 PM UTC

edw wrote: post #109

MattGaiser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is poo on every surface. The key question is the amount of poo relative to the other stuff.

Here’s another question: Would any of our lives be any worse — or would they be better? — if we simply chose to walk away and not be a part of any of these platforms, HN included? How much of our lives is made up of karma whoring, level grinding, and falling into the " rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/386/> trap?

I made 40 dollars last weekend by falling into the https://xkcd.com/386 "trap". Thursday before last weekend someone released a starlink coverage map that was wrong, specifically it made arbitrary circles on a globe and pretended they were coverage. In order to fix this mistake I made https://droid.cafe/starlink.

A reddit user was kind enough to spontaneously donate 40 dollar (in btc) to me despite the fact that I didn't solicit donations. It's also been a pretty productive endeavor for learning about front end development, listening to feedback and giving users what they're asking for, learning to use cloudflare/gcp, and now learning to optimize glsl shaders to enable a fancier renderer while still getting reasonable performance on cheap hardware.

I feel like I often learn a lot about one random topic or another when I research so I can accurately correct someone who is being wrong on the internet. The above is an interesting example because there was a concrete deliverable at the end of the process, but I don't feel the fact that I learned from the process is particularly unique.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by bluedino » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:39 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

There a situation going on at SomethingAwful where if ownership isn’t transferred, a vocal group of users is going to leave. Some of them have suggested BreadnRoses.net, which advertises supporting an open community and being inviting to all.

However, it’s too far to the left and focused on solidarity to take all of SA’s threads and even forums.

You have such a mix over there, everything from tech to politics, guns, drugs... a lot like reddit.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rhizome » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

edw wrote: post #109

MattGaiser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is poo on every surface. The key question is the amount of poo relative to the other stuff.

Here’s another question: Would any of our lives be any worse — or would they be better? — if we simply chose to walk away and not be a part of any of these platforms, HN included? How much of our lives is made up of karma whoring, level grinding, and falling into the " rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/386/> trap?

> Would any of our lives be any worse — or would they be better? — if we simply chose to walk away and not be a part of any of these platforms

Monks walk away from pretty much everything, and have been doing so for a long time now. They continue living. Does the result of that qualify as either better or worse than what you have now?