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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tekknik »

danaris wrote: post #580
tekknik wrote: post #573

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You’re just repeating sound bites. Why? explain in detail how this helps humans (especially since it goes against darwinism) and doesn’t hurt them.

Humanity's competitive advantage—the reason we survive, thrive, and outcompete every other species—is that we work together. We cooperate, to balance one person's weaknesses with another person's strengths. Social Darwinism is entirely based on misunderstandings of science and history. It is a dead-end philosophy, and needs to be eradicated with knowledge, replaced by the spreading of compassion and cooperation where…

I agree with all of this, except I don’t see the value an impoverished set of humans can provide. They will have a point of few that is valid and valuable in certain contexts but are these useful? Secondly when the new baseline is removing poverty you remove the desire to become something more, which is where the real innovation comes from. So by not helping them we get better results, not worse.

Also I would love some papers on how natural selection is no longer valid, this sounds like pure opinion.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tekknik »

perfmode wrote: post #576
tekknik wrote: post #574

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Yea so this doesn’t clear it up at all. Are you suggesting we start legalizing things, so that instead of going to jail people are treated for mental health problems if someone robs a house or commits murder? Why can’t people just not commit crimes?

Through its reach and impact, the prison-industrial complex helps and maintains the authority of people who get their power through problematic means. There are many ways this power is collected and maintained through the prison-industrial complex, including creating mass media images that keep alive stereotypes of people of color, poor people, queer people, immigrants, youth, and other oppressed communities as crimi…

None of this is fact, yet it’s being portrayed as such.

If mass media images are a problem then why do these groups not join Trump saying MSM is problematic and untrustworthy?

For profit prisons are more efficient, because the government can’t run anything without substantial cost. So privatizing prisons saves costs.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tekknik »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #608
tekknik wrote: post #574

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Yea so this doesn’t clear it up at all. Are you suggesting we start legalizing things, so that instead of going to jail people are treated for mental health problems if someone robs a house or commits murder? Why can’t people just not commit crimes?

Why aren't all former penal colonies full of criminals? Maybe it's because there are a lot of crimes that are situational. For truly violent offenders who refuse to be rehabilitated? Keep them away from everyone else, including other prisoners. For everyone else though? We should be figuring out what they lack and help them find it. The reason we DON'T do that is because state prisons are glorified slave rackets. The…

Which crimes are situational? And I still don’t agree that someone committing a crime is the victim here. To entertain that idea is just silly.

For profit prisons are more cost effective than government run prisons. We are a capitalist society, people seek profit here, including the entirety of the country.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tekknik »

jhardy54 wrote: post #586
tekknik wrote: post #535

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Does it have to be something parent specifically said? If not look around the news?

Sorry, based on your comment history I don't think I'd like to discuss anything with you. Cheers.

So because someone has a counter opinion from yours to refuse debate but stand on a public forum without desire to be challenged? Wow.

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Post by dvtrn »

dang wrote: post #617
dvtrn wrote: post #612

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Brevity does not need be dismissed as an immediate association or prelude to flame wars, nor does it reflect unsubstantive thinking. While I understand your desire to vanguard the guidelines, and aversion to the messy-nature of the ‘race debate’, dang, I disagree with your conclusion as applied in this case. Assuming positive intent and being vulnerable enough to ask questions usually will do a lot more to mete out s…

I don't disagree that much with either you or solarkraft. Moderation is guesswork and not all of these guesses hit the target. FWIW, here is some explanation of the general approach we take. Brevity is fine. The issue is the expected value of future subthreads: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . We have to go by effects, not intent: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=tr…

"When the topic is flamebait"

To be clear, which topic specifically are you alluding to because I think anyone with any cognizance on the issues of race and nationalism have a lot of overlapping features and a lot of cloudy, hard to define nuance, so can you please disambiguate in this instance?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dragonwriter »

codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

> Most H1B immigrants

There are no H-1B immigrants.

There may be H-1B holders who plan to become immigrants, but H-1B is a nonimmigrant work visa.

> Now all these immigrants have learned your language, passed job interviews, and are competing to come to your country to give you 1$M and help your economy.

No, they are competing to come and reduce the market clearing cost of labor and increase the returns to capital in our economy. Which is good for you if you are (1) one of the incoming laborers, or (2) a person whose main interaction with the US economy is via capital investment, not labor income.

> To those who say we must invest in local workforce, I wonder why would you have to stop immigration to start investing in local workforce?

You don't have to stop immigration.

You do, on the other hand, need to stop importing labor in a manner specifically and selectively designed to avoid upward pressure on wages (and thereby, stop the incentive to develop domestic supply) for high-skill, high-demand positions and to terminate temporary residency when it no longer serves that purpose.

Or, you need to better capture the returns produced by those means and direct them to domestic workforce development.

I'm one of the most pro-immigrant and pro-immigration and anti-Trump, people you’ll find, and I would shed not a single tear if Trump managed to permanently kill, rather than merely temporarily suspend, the H-1B program.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dragonwriter »

hintymad wrote: post #601
scarface74 wrote: post #540

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I’m going to go off the rails more. You can’t reform the education system in a vacuum without dealing with larger societal problems that affect the US. The war on drugs - have unfairly targeted minorities breaking up families and when they get out of jail, its harder to get a job because of their criminal record. No matter how good the education system is, if the students home life is unstable, education suffers. Gov…

Not in California. The State is responsible for allocating education fund, with a few exception.

> The State is responsible for allocating education fund, with a few exception.

That’s between untrue and misleading. The state allocates a very large share of the total education funding among counties, but it does not allocate the funding counties have (whether from the state or from local funds) by line item.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dragonwriter »

scarface74 wrote: post #616
hintymad wrote: post #614

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But the California State government allocates the fund, right? If the state government decides where the fund goes, then can we still conclude that "the richer gets richer and the poor gets poorer" from the fact that local tax funds education?

I am assuming the state sends each school district the same amount of money per student and the local government makes up the difference. So yes it is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I know in my Metro area the more affluent parts of the city, love breaking off into their own city to keep their money even more localized.

> I am assuming the state sends each school district the same amount of money

It does not, not even per pupil since there is a 20% supplement for each designated “high needs” pupil, and additional funds iif “high needs” pupils exceed a certain threshold.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dragonwriter »

hintymad wrote: post #614
scarface74 wrote: post #604

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33% of education funding comes from the local government. https://lao.ca.gov/Education/EdBudget/Details/281 https://ed100.org/uploads/images/shares/CA-19-20-budget.png

But the California State government allocates the fund, right? If the state government decides where the fund goes, then can we still conclude that "the richer gets richer and the poor gets poorer" from the fact that local tax funds education?

> But the California State government allocates the fund, right?

It allocates the state funds that make up the vast majority of education funding among the counties. It doesn't specifically direct how counties spend the money.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tathougies »

TheNorthman wrote: post #397
infamouscow wrote: post #212

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Name one country that has opened for tourists or has recently (as in the last week or two) said they will open for tourists.

Denmark [0] and Sweden [1]. [0]: https://um.dk/da/nyheder-fra-udenrigsministeriet/newsdisplay... [1]: https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2020/06/ud-avrada...

Sweden never shut down really.
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