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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Because then no small company can compete with the big ones in the auction...

If your small company needs H1bs to survive, it doesn’t sound like a very sound business in the first place.

It is not small companies per se, But a mechanical company can never pay equal to FANG.They do require niche engineering skills.

What about academics and non-profits?

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I know this will probably be flagged or voted down, but at least please understand that I truly want to see people in the US get better and more equal. Here it goes: if the US wants to invest in local talent, the US had better invest heavily in education. And I'm not talking about an-iPad-per-kid kind of investment, but investment to hire great teachers, lots of them, to public schools to the point that tutoring scho…

It already invests heavily in education. USA already spends ones of the highest level of funding per school pupil in the world and for college its by far the highest spender. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cmd.pdf

I’m guessing a lot of that money is spent on buildings and administration. It’s not for hiring teachers and paying them well.

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Why do humans collectively have an obligation to lift poor countries out of poverty?

Because the world without poverty is a better place.

You’re just repeating sound bites. Why? explain in detail how this helps humans (especially since it goes against darwinism) and doesn’t hurt them.

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Please explain what the “prison-industrial complex” is

The prison industrial complex is a term we use to describe the overlapping interests of government and industry that use surveillance, policing, and imprisonment as solutions to economic, social and political problems.

Yea so this doesn’t clear it up at all. Are you suggesting we start legalizing things, so that instead of going to jail people are treated for mental health problems if someone robs a house or commits murder? Why can’t people just not commit crimes?

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It already invests heavily in education. USA already spends ones of the highest level of funding per school pupil in the world and for college its by far the highest spender. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cmd.pdf

It's easy to spend a lot of money, it's hard to execute and get results. Despite the USA spending a ton of money, it doesn't curate quality education. The entire system needs to be reworked.

The whole teaching towards the test, and prepping kids for college (which I've heard we even do a bad job at), is just awful. We don't typically educate to teach people in a way that can make a connection that to what can be used in the real world, nor do teach real world things, such as basic money handling matters. I was able to take a Math of Money class in high school, but that was my senior year and your had to have had to pass other classes to take that.

I know there are some classes for stuff like electronics and mechanics, but why not offer more career based classes?

I think the requirement for more advanced computer classes has come down, don't need a AP calc/trig credit to take a basic programming class anymore (it's been well over 20 years since I graduated).

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The prison industrial complex is a term we use to describe the overlapping interests of government and industry that use surveillance, policing, and imprisonment as solutions to economic, social and political problems.

Yea so this doesn’t clear it up at all. Are you suggesting we start legalizing things, so that instead of going to jail people are treated for mental health problems if someone robs a house or commits murder? Why can’t people just not commit crimes?

Through its reach and impact, the prison-industrial complex helps and maintains the authority of people who get their power through problematic means.

There are many ways this power is collected and maintained through the prison-industrial complex, including creating mass media images that keep alive stereotypes of people of color, poor people, queer people, immigrants, youth, and other oppressed communities as criminal, delinquent, or deviant.

This power is also maintained by earning profits for private companies that deal with prisons and police forces; helping earn political gains for “tough on crime” politicians; increasing the influence of prison guard and police unions; and eliminating social and political dissent by oppressed communities that make demands for self-determination in the US.

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Because the world without poverty is a better place.

You’re just repeating sound bites. Why? explain in detail how this helps humans (especially since it goes against darwinism) and doesn’t hurt them.

If you are a social darwinist, I am not here to convert you.

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I can understand how this might seem unfair to immigrants. this part is completely wrong: "If they have more workforce they can do more". The demand for labor is not determined by the supply of labor, it's determined by the demand for those products. When companies higher engineers for example, they don't just go, "hey, we just had two brilliant engineers interview, so instead of highering 1, we'll higher 2." It neve…

Let's talk about immigrants that are being paid well, for a moment -- since Trump is seeking ban those people as well. (Also since I myself am one such immigrant, and I know several immigrants who were being paid extremely well, whose H-1B cases were denied by the US government under the guise of software engineering not being a "specialty occupation"[1]). A friend of mine last year got a job as a L5 at Google, for a…

I am an immigrant.

In order for the HB1 program to pass muster, and validate its value for US citizens, people taking advantage of HB1 must put into the US least as much as they are taking out.

I dont see US citizens emmigrating / benefitting from similar benefits at foreign countries, like those given by HB1s within the US. In fact, as far as i know, there are no USA emigres going to india to work, drawing india SS retirement benefits, for example.

In other words, the HB1 program is asymetrical. Americans put in a lot more than they get out of it.

As such, the only logical thing for the HB1 to be discontinued.

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How much are companies expecting to save by going this route? Is it dramatic?

They don’t save. The abuse happens through contractors. Companies hiring full time H1B employees directly will not save money because there is no incentive to and they have to pay the government additional fees simply for the H1B visa, and they have to almost certainly have an immigration team, or at a bar minimum a lawyer on retainer to keep up with the immigration stuff. My company applied for an employee I manager…

They do save.

Its not in salary that you see the money. The savings are in training and legal costs.

The average tenure of an HB1 is much longer than a US citizen. Turnover is lower for obvious reasons.

Threats of litigation , etc are much lower too. I havent seen a single HB1 sue their employer. Similarly, i have seen multiple US citizens sue employers, and almost always without merit (often it was to stave off termination, retaliate, etc).

There is alson some risk in a US worker. There is a lot of entitlement even at the high end. I have seen many native engineers and even PMs hit bars every other afternoon...on a 3pm weekday. These were people close to 200k year.

The HB1 is a shield against that risk (or poor hiring), and thats savings too

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Because the world without poverty is a better place.

You’re just repeating sound bites. Why? explain in detail how this helps humans (especially since it goes against darwinism) and doesn’t hurt them.

Humanity's competitive advantage—the reason we survive, thrive, and outcompete every other species—is that we work together. We cooperate, to balance one person's weaknesses with another person's strengths.

Social Darwinism is entirely based on misunderstandings of science and history. It is a dead-end philosophy, and needs to be eradicated with knowledge, replaced by the spreading of compassion and cooperation wherever it is found.

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