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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tartoran »

saltedonion wrote: post #45
godzillabrennus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Facebook/twitter/google wanted to play with fire they could use their platformS to basically vanquish the GOP. Those three companies control a significant amount of what people see online.

Certainly. But the risk is incredibly high. If trump gets re-elected he’s going to go after these guys big time. Breaking them up would not be stretching the imagination. Censoring trump is the nuclear option.

If he gets reelected (not likely) he would do it regardless. He’ll destroy the country too

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ixtli »

tartoran wrote: post #126
rantwasp wrote: post #114

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you forgot to mention that we all get a pony. what the heck is going on in this country? have we lost it?

With a rabid lunatic in the WH it appears so..

It’s interesting to me that HN doesn’t seem to like my comment. Wonder what that means.

Edit: I can’t reply to these replies but the post is about something the whitehouse is doing. All conversations about this link are implicitly political and if that’s against the rules then either the post should be removed or the rules should be changed.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by oneplane »

retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

Instead of fighting the symptom you can also fight the cause. If you make the abuse not legal, and detect and enforce that, you solve the problem either way. You'll still need to educate the native citizens of course, otherwise nothing really changes. But you'll need to do both.

I don't know what local laws would apply, but I imagine that the same laws that have to do with equal pay can be made generic so that it applies to everyone for a position. In the end you should be paid for your value, not for your gender, color of your skin or the place you were born.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by roskilli »

noobermin wrote: post #133
retortio wrote: post #107

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One thing to remember is that in many cases H1-B workers are brought over by sponsoring companies which take a huge cut (I know cases of 40% or more) out of their salaries for the service of securing them the Visa. So those salaries might appear to be a certain number but the workers themselves may actually receive significantly less while some rent seeking company stashes the differences. I know for a fact that in m…

If some of your best friends are H1-B workers wouldn't the right answer be changing the regulations such that companies must pay market rate (as in for the US labor market, not internationally) for H1-B employees here?

In the companies I've worked at, H1-B workers get compensated in software engineering roles just as well as their peers, I've also seen outliers where it's significantly higher (depending on when they joined, how much in demand they were with competing offers, etc).

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Post by rantwasp »

blntechie wrote: post #102
rantwasp wrote: post #71

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i don’t know how this suspension would work but the H1B is held in April. I would assume most people have had their visa processed by now but it’s possible i’m just if ignorant. Regarding suspending H1Bs here is some not so breaking news: people on those visas are targeting jobs where no qualified people exist to fill them. Those people, by coming to the US create real value and increase the economic output of the US…

Application process starts in April but even when visa is approved and processed, the holder can’t enter before October 1.

yeah. it starts in October but they cannot take the visa back, right?

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Post by latenightcoding »

belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

Tech salaries are not even close. Only Toronto and Vancouver would be attractive options for tech workers, both cities have a housing problem.

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Post by fredfoobar »

noobermin wrote: post #133
retortio wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing to remember is that in many cases H1-B workers are brought over by sponsoring companies which take a huge cut (I know cases of 40% or more) out of their salaries for the service of securing them the Visa. So those salaries might appear to be a certain number but the workers themselves may actually receive significantly less while some rent seeking company stashes the differences. I know for a fact that in m…

If some of your best friends are H1-B workers wouldn't the right answer be changing the regulations such that companies must pay market rate (as in for the US labor market, not internationally) for H1-B employees here?

I think it's an astro-turf campaign, it feels like it. Because no one thinking logically is gonna push an agenda that hard without actually thinking through it.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by rantwasp »

ixtli wrote: post #142
tartoran wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a rabid lunatic in the WH it appears so..

It’s interesting to me that HN doesn’t seem to like my comment. Wonder what that means. Edit: I can’t reply to these replies but the post is about something the whitehouse is doing. All conversations about this link are implicitly political and if that’s against the rules then either the post should be removed or the rules should be changed.

it’s political. and an attack. insert something about guidelines

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Post by runawaybottle »

jgalt212 wrote: post #83
dx87 wrote: post #58

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If H-1B visas were being used how they were intended, they would be a good thing, but we often see them used as a way to get cheap labor, or even directly replace American workers. The company I work at has H-1B junior web developers, hardly "very niche, hard to fill" positions that they can't find any qualified Americans to do.

Indeed, a friend offered to introduce me to a lawyer who would help me hire H-1Bs instead of similarly qualified residents. The gist was you have to figure out the unique qualities of the person you want to hire, and then construct interviews for the required X candidates such that these other candidates would not be as qualified across these trumped up unique qualifications / skills.

How much are companies expecting to save by going this route? Is it dramatic?

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Post by noobermin »

lukeschlather wrote: post #124
noobermin wrote: post #84

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Is this true? The argument I've seen is that H1B's are liked by SV because they can be paid less.

All H1B salaries are public: https://h1bdata.info/ It's possible (maybe even likely) that title deflation is happening, but based on my experience the salaries are definitely in line with the pay ranges for each job title (I worked at Amazon for 3 and a half years, so I have some first and second hand information on pay.) If nothing else it's a great resource to see the unfiltered payscale at SV companies.

Thanks for the data. I see comments across threads on HN that say that H1-B hires are common. What is the incentive to hire them then? Are professionals in the US really that ill-equipped? I guess there is a bit of cognitive dissonance with FAANG complaining about no qualified workers but then FAANG only hired people who went to Stanford or Harvard and such.
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