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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tinyhouse »

blntechie wrote: post #48
tinyhouse wrote: post #5

Not clear from the article what this means. Would it impact existing visa holders already in the US? What about those who got an H-1B in this year's lottery? Is their visa canceled or postponed to a later date not known yet? (normally for a given year October is the earliest people can start working on H-1B)

No official details yet but apparently 1) all issue of new visas will be delayed 2) current visa holders won’t be allowed at port of entry So it doesn’t affect current visa holders in the country unless they travel outside the country and have to enter back. Need to see what are the broad exceptions.

Not letting people in status travel and come back is crazy. It just shows the lack of common sense of the US government. It's the same lack of common sense of the US police and why it's such a mess (besides the systematic racism). Those people wouldn't leave the country as a result - all it means is that you prevent them from visiting their family, sometimes even in emergency situations. It has nothing to do with jobs, just pure stupidity.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by remote_phone »

Anyone who thinks this is good for the US is stupid. In the era of remote working, all this will do it hasten the retreat of software engineering from the US. Facebook and Google do not care where their employees live, they want the best in the world. This will just mean that jobs will truly flee the US.

Right now the US is winning because of such a high concentration of talented software engineers compared to the rest of the world. It’s the same reason why there is only one Hollywood, the same goes for Silicon Valley. If you prevent people from coming here, the top companies will find them in their own countries and then those are jobs lost forever. And then the drain begins. This is a stupid self-defeating move by a self-defeating president.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by [deleted] »

OzzyB wrote: post #85
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

Can you take some of the Bay Area homeless as well, or is it only acceptable to place economic externalities Stateside?

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by rantwasp »

ixtli wrote: post #18

Surely this will bring jobs back to America. Surely this will mitigate the unmitigated failure that is the American governments non-response to COVID. Surely Silicon Valley executives sucking up to the whitehouse will make this less damaging and didn’t contribute to it happening in the first place. Surely this will be the thing that takes down Donald trump.

you forgot to mention that we all get a pony. what the heck is going on in this country? have we lost it?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

samfisher83 wrote: post #66
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

Honestly it's not the SV companies. It's the body shop consulting firms.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tartoran »

andrewgodwin wrote: post #8

I'm (worriedly) curious how this will affect people trying to change jobs on a H1-B, as technically you need to file a new petition each time, and I can see them somehow denying those too.

Thats probably nightmare as H1-B holders are kept on a tight leash already

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by belltaco »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #27
iamacyborg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, we can expect restaurant staff to soon be working tech jobs.

College graduate unemployment rate is over 8%, up from 2% a few months ago. There are a lot of skilled, educated, unemployed workers right now. I wouldn’t kick out H-1Bs, but no reason take in new ones right now. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CGRA2534

Unemployment in tech is down from Jan to May this year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/06/11/unemp...

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by vsskanth »

samfisher83 wrote: post #80
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

People in Canada aren't making US salaries. Most people want to go to the US for the money.

Well it looks like US is not an option anymore.

Canada on the other hand gives you PR on entry if you're skilled enough.

Money doesn't matter if it becomes an eternal struggle or impossible to maintain legal status.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by [deleted] »

samfisher83 wrote: post #66
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by neilparikh »

theonemind wrote: post #67
neilparikh wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> get more than $100,000/yr If this is objection, why not just raise the minimum salary requirements to 100k instead of banning it? Most Silicon Valley companies would easily meet it.

I would support that. The program is supposed to allow for filling positions unfillable in the American labor market with specialized skills, not as a way to undercut American salaries.

My point is that Trump isn’t pushing for that, and instead just suspending it completely, because his goal isn’t to reform H1Bs, so mentioning specific criticism of the program is irrelevant when the primary objection is idealogical.
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