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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

tekknik wrote: post #545
codelord wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left my country to escape a totalitarian regime. I think just because you are born in a place doesn't mean you have the responsibility to completely sacrifice your life. Humans collectively have an obligation to help lift poor countries out of poverty. The question is are you against immigration because you genuinely care about the poverty in my country?

Why do humans collectively have an obligation to lift poor countries out of poverty?

Because the world without poverty is a better place.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

shuckles wrote: post #365
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #336

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It is very strange that people in this comment section shout "nationalism, BAD" when someone says that skilled people should stay in their own country and potentially help these countries to grow out of poverty, and statements like the one you just made - essentially rob these country of talented people and bring them into US - is somehow not nationalistic and good.

By the very nature of a highly skilled worker, they likely cannot realize the full value of those skills without a certain economic and commercial context. It is definitely not the case that for most H1-B employees the counterfactual is "growing their own countries out of poverty." Most likely, the counterfactual is being another 75th percentile wage worker in a low income country. In addition, this line of reasoning…

Could you please express yourself in simpler English? I cannot understand what you just said - not a native speaker.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

2ion wrote: post #420
satya71 wrote: post #390

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Yep. This is already happening. As US becomes a less inviting destination for the best talent, the talent will find home elsewhere. This might be beginning of the end of US tech dominance.

That's a long road. Very few tech firms generate the kind of money from tech abroad like many US firms do. You won't be earning 300k in a non-US company in Germany very very likely when looking at similarly-levelled roles (to exclude high-powered roles) compared to the US. You'll be looking at 1/3rd the total comp max in many cases and that'll already be a very good salary in the field. And possibly higher taxes, no…

Having lived in US for 2 years and having visited Korea and Germany, people US do not even imagine how bad is QoL in US tech hubs, even wit higher wage. I mean Seoul or Berlin is SO much more interesting place than SF Bay. The only places in US I'd consider worth living is Chicago, Boston and probably Seattle.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

downerending wrote: post #438
addicted wrote: post #351

I’m curious. HN has largely agreed that the current pandemic showed that remote work is absolutely doable. At the same time, people are claiming that the H1B visa, which allows immigrants to work in the US at largely American salaries, are taking away American jobs. So the stated solution is to do away with the visa and send those people back to their home countries. So why does anyone believe that when those people…

Flipping that around, if a company can hire someone for less in a foreign country and get the same result, why bother going through the H1B process? Why the drama? Just do it.

Because:

a) Outsourcing generally produces lower quality result

b) You do not have an H1B leverage.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

joelbluminator wrote: post #94
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

I hope it does. But I wonder if a very bad economic crisis (that some say started in 2008 and we never truly recovered from) may cause a similar wave of xenophobia and civil unrest in Canada as we now see happening in the U.S. I know Canada is a very different country than the U.S and much less prone to massive civil unrest, but all and all it's not that much different than countries like UK, Germany, France etc - wh…

Yeah, right, you apparently do not remember Quebec unrests, when they wanted to secede.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

Apocryphon wrote: post #428
latenightcoding wrote: post #146

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Tech salaries are not even close. Only Toronto and Vancouver would be attractive options for tech workers, both cities have a housing problem.

Montreal needs to step up with their salaries.

Montreal is super cheap though, but has the language issue.

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Post by RhysU »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #514
RhysU wrote: post #496

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Does your company not already grow skills over time? One should already be training (or coaching) individuals regardless of their present skill levels.

That's a very uncharitable reading of what they said. They presumably spent time training these people. They can't afford to train up a bunch of new people because someone decided that they need to be kicked out of the country for no good reason.

I am saying that they should already have a "training time allocation" built into their role and that they could choose to use it for remedial skills. That is, individually having time for training should be a moot point.

Now, if the business can survive in the meantime is a different matter. But the business has no choice in the matter. And the business is not alone in the matter. Which probably makes that a moot point too.

I don't claim that it will be easy. "I can't train people" doesn't compel me as a broadly satisfactory counterargument for the above reasons. That sentiment itself is not charitable making it hard for me to read it charitably.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by boruto »

dzink wrote: post #202

This could be a knock-out punch for many US universities. H1B is the visa International students pursue after paying full out of state tuition to colleges here.

Hasn't covid already done that. I think we are going to see a high upsurge in competition for masters in my home country. Which is very good.

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Post by perfmode »

tekknik wrote: post #536
perfmode wrote: post #504

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please lend your support to the ongoing movement to shift investment from the prison-industrial complex into health and education.

Please explain what the “prison-industrial complex” is

The prison industrial complex is a term we use to describe the overlapping interests of government and industry that use surveillance, policing, and imprisonment as solutions to economic, social and political problems.

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Post by boruto »

theduder99 wrote: post #291
vsskanth wrote: post #57

This is going to have a chilling effect on international students thinking of coming to the United States. Many people who do end up getting kicked out will probably take their jobs with them back home, especially in tech.

Many international students come to the US to get a world class education. That won't change.

They take loans to pay for the world class education. If they have no option to repay those loans would they come to US?
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